I had an emotional serious talk with my ADHD boyfriend today. I was really sick of him spending time on his own, gaming, internet, stuffs he likes. He said he needs his own time, own space. Even when I was at his place, he is still doing his stuff on computer. So I asked could we do something together next week? he said "no we spent too much time together, I need some time off myself" I was so angry because the time we spent together is me sitting on couch while he is playing computer game. So I started a big fight talking about my frustration. He apologized and he said he loves me so much and he needs me. He cannot promise me anything because he knows he might forget or fail, but he will try. He knew I have to put up with all his ADHD nonsense that no guys ever give me, but he loves me so much. He knows how important and how lucky to have me in his life helping him (his ex didn't believe in ADHD or his condition). He is able to talk to me patiently because he is on med today. But most of the time I see him is after work , because the med has worn out he could hardly give any attention to me. I know his limitation is to giving attention but how can I feel loved while I have no attention from him?
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- How do you feel loved from the ADHD partner? by: faith_in_him 12 years 1 month ago
- Weekly update - why do I try? by: zombiedad 12 years 1 month ago
Sorry for the update posts - I feel like I have begun to make these here priarily for my own documentation, although hopefully others may find some value within them.
Last night I asked my estranged-withinthe-same-household-ADD-wife for a night (tonight) that we could spend together, working on "us". She agreed.
I looked forward to it all day, although I admittedly began to feel disappointment as the evening wore on later and later her desire to "go for a walk" and the kid's needs for snacks, entertainment, etc. pushed "our time" further to the back burner.
We EVENTUALLY came together for a glass of wine together on the couch. Conversation immediately turned to her desire to trade in her vehicle for a newer model, and the thoughts of her coworkers who were in agreement with this idea.
I asked, somewhat rhetorically: "Is this REALLY all we have to talk about?". I asked this question calmly.
She responded by bringing out the old "list of greivances" she carries in her heart and launched into a tirade of all the wrongs I had done in the past, storming off when I informed her I would not be listening to her ad hominem attacks on me in response to a legitimate inquiry regarding the state of our relationship and my continued (although apparently futile) attempts to either save it or allow it to end in a dignified manner.
As has been her habit, she exited to the back porch. I gave her 30 seconds and followed, only to find her (AGAIN) in a cloud of cigarette smoke - texting on her phone with a wide smile on her face. If anyone here has read my prior posts, you will know the significance of this.
I lost my cool, demanding to know WHO she was so eager to text - with such a joyful look on her face. I was told it was none of my business and she refused to show me - although SHE has been more than happy to take my phone and read MY texts (which were nothing at all!). She went to great physical lengths to remove her phone from my reach. I asked her again - feeling desperate - and she again refused - mockingly - waving me away condescendingly. In disgust - I kicked her glass of red wine that was sitting on the porch across the backyard, which felt quite satisfying in the moment but, of course, resulted in immediate accusations of being "out of control" on her part. Of course, I wasn't "out of control" enough to look after our daughter who woke up with a cold shortly afterward while she continued her manic texting and smoking outside.
Last week I was crying in the garage after a similar frustration. Tonight I just feel detached. I DID attempt to reengage her and calmly tell her she was losing a good husband, which resulted in another ad-hominem tirade regarding my past "offenses" and present "inappropriateness" in attempting to speak to her at all.
I just plain and simple DO NOT understand this woman's mind. Or my own, for that matter. What am I even trying for?
- Groundhog Day? by: PoisonIvy 12 years 1 month ago
That's what my relationship with my husband feels like. We have been bickering about a few significant topics for more than three years now, since he was fired from his last full-time job. One topic, about which I've pretty much given up hope: looking for another full-time job. The other topic: my desire to have my husband help more around the house, given that I'm working more than he is and also doing more of the housework. In the more than three years since the firing, my husband's only regular contribution to helping out around the house has been to vacuum ... sometimes. He has progressed from sometimes vacuuming one room once a week to usually vacuuming one room once a week and vacuuming the entire house every two months or so. As I said, this is his only regular contribution to housework, during a time when I've significantly increased my paid work hours and also have been doing more housework because our daughters are no longer at home.
Being in "Groundhog Day" (having the same things happen every day despite the passage of time) is very frustrating to me. My husband seems to not get what is bothering me. I wondered why he wasn't bothered by the bickering, too. Then, I realized that he probably is bothered by it, but he prefers bickering over a little bit of work to actually doing more work. Does my interpretation make any sense?
I would ask for suggestions to get out of this maze, but I've given up on the housework issue and, pretty much, on the marriage issue. I'm just staying in because we can't afford financially to live apart.
- Sweating the Small Stuff by: Ninatoo 12 years 1 month ago
I am the wife of an ADD husband. He is a genius in so many ways. In fact, he took the genius test and came out in the top two percent. He has a great job and makes lots of money. He loves me, and tells me every day. I also love him and tell him that I love him every day. I really do love him, in spite of his ADD traits.
Why then, do I sweat the small stuff? I think the answer to that is that the small stuff adds up day by day and turns into big stuff. My husband is messy, unorganized, forgetful, and has an I don't care, it doesn't matter attitude. I let the stuff that doesn't affect me personally go, but the stuff that I have to fix because of his ways, can really get to me. Usually I brush it off, but I guess it is in the back of my mind and comes out now and then.
This forum has given me insight into my husband's ADD. It is giving me the patience to deal with my husband's ADD, but I admit that after he leaves the house I do sometimes have to vent by sputtering as I clean up after him.
- Overwhelmed and exhausted by: karenb7 12 years 1 month ago
I'm recently diagnosed ADHD, my 18 yr old is diagnosed ADHD and my bf is ADD since childhood.
When I met my bf he told me he was ADD. I didn't know anything about it and he seemed like a GREAT guy and I fell in love. He still IS a great guy but it turns out he lied about his financial life... a complete disaster. And somehow as bad as it was when I met him, it's only gotten worse. His truck was repo'd and he's getting letters from the IRS but he does absolutely nothing about any of it. What's going to happen if I marry him?? I want to... I've wanted to marry him for a long time. Before he came along and at one time, I had literally perfect credit. I had to juggle bills but I paid them and on time. Over the years as things in my life changed, it became harder to keep up and I started to slip. My financial life may have gone south but wow, there are things I never knew.
Like how to get your bank account closed unwillingly because you find yourself with overdrafts that you can't cover. I've had 2 closed, he's had 2 or 3. One of mine was because I paid a bill when I thought I had enough money but was like $5 negative and he had almost no income at the time and I didn't have enough for all of us and next thing you know, my account is racking up overdraft fees and I owe like $350. Which is total bs but hey, it was my fault to begin with. They closed my account and sent my info to a collection agency. We don't have cable anymore, can't afford it. Internet and cell phones are routinely disconnected. I spent years taking care of all these things and making sure everything was paid but I finally burned out.
My doc put me on anxiety meds just to get me thru the day. Just to try to deal with my son and my bf. They refuse to be adults so I have to. My bf has never once paid rent in the 10 yrs we've been together. He has never once written a check. But in the house we're in now, he has a mancave and I have no personal space at all. He sleeps in the bedroom but snores so I sleep on the couch. And when he gets mad he throws personal insults but after years of that I finally threw some back and now whenever he gets mad he brings that up and is all wounded. And with no regard whatsoever for the things he's said to me.
My son is disrespectful to the core. He doesn't follow house rules at all. When he yells at me I tell him he needs to move out. He has done this countless times. He moves out and comes back several days or a few weeks later. He bangs on the door or rings the doorbell relentlessly. Our dogs go nuts and he is absolutely incapable of listening to reason or admitting that he has done anything wrong. And even though the house rules have been in place almost his entire life, he insists that he doesn't know what they are and routinely breaks them.
My bf has been a huge advocate for my son but now that my son is grown, I'm the adult for both of them AND my 22 yr old spec needs son.
Sometimes the cloud seems to lift and I manage to reach both of them and we talk and it seems like things are finally going to be ok but then it always goes back to rock bottom. I love my bf. I feel like he's my forever guy. And of course I love my son but he has turned into someone I don't even know anymore.
Today was really bad. My teenager did his usual. My bf didn't pay the water bill and it got shut off. And I was home all day. I actually called the water company wanting to know why the water pressure had trickled to a stop. Last month it was the electric.
I hope that I will reread this post in the near future and say, wow, I'm sure glad it's not like THAT anymore but for now it is. And I am stressed to the core and completely overwhelmed.
ps My bf got home while I was finishing up this post. I was mad about the water and he actually started talking to me. I told him I would take back the responsibility of paying the bills but he'd have to cut up his one and only debit card, live on an allowance and not complain to me when he ran out of money before the week is up. He was more than happy to do it. It's the first time we've ever done this so wish us luck.
- Seeking advice on how to deal with ADD frustration by: Cherryblossomgirl 12 years 1 month ago
My partner is 26 years old and has ADD. He was diagnosed as a child and put on Ritalin for a very short time but was taken off, as his mother wasn’t keen on him being on it. Flash forward 18 years and he is having such a hard time with the symptoms it in his personal life, work life and our relationship that he has decided to go down the path of seeking medication to improve his concentration. He denied his ADD for such a long time (years and years) so I am really proud of him for acknowledging it and seeking help.
Long story short we are book in to see a psychiatrist soon to talk about the option of mediation. I am not quite sure that he is aware that it will be a bit of a process to do this. We do not have any records of him being diagnosed as a child as we do not talk about his ADD with his parents (it is rather hidden) but he can talk about his moving to 6 schools during his school years, the numerous amounts of tests he had done for concentration and his current symptoms. I have tried to explain to him that this might take a bit longer than he thinks but that if he can stick with it that he will get a good outcome and that I will be there along the way for support.
I am wondering if anyone can shed any light on their ADD partners behaviour around frustration or what can set them off AND how they as the non ADDer reacts to this behaviour.
Example of his frustration:
My partner will come home from work and we’ll chat about our day and be having a lovely time, then when I bring up something that I had read in the ADHD Effect on Marriage (great book!) he will start to tune out. We usually talk about what I have read in the book and he is interested. He just ordered a heap of books on ADD from Amazon as he is keen to learn more (bit impulsive but a good resource). I am careful not to initiate a conversation about this when he is in a bad mood as this ends up in tears.
As we talk I see that he is starting to tune out and become fidgety so I ask him if he is bored – no, he finds it frustrating and too serious. I understand that he can feel overwhelmed with too much information but I can never find out why things get to him so badly (does he feel overloaded, guilty etc?). I would like to understand more so that I can help him or at least so that I can settle myself when this happens.
In a matter of seconds my loving partner can turn into a completely different person. I try to show him understanding but also try to explain what I need from him and how that will benefit us. He cannot function; he cannot cope with the frustration he feels. I try and tell him that there is no blame but he is already too far-gone and needs to be alone for hours on his computer to calm him down. I usually give him that time but end up crying, as I feel so hurt.
He usually comes and finds me after a few hours when he feels calm again and apologizes for his behaviour. I accept his apology and try to explain to him that by him leaving or tuning out to what I was saying, makes me feel invalidated and disregarded. Then it happens again and he acts the exact same way. Nothing gets sorted and I am left with the same issue that I felt before all this began. I would like to talk to my partner and have him be supportive, affectionate and understanding. He rarely seems to be able to do that for me even when he is in a good mood as my mood brings him down and he has to leave the room, as he doesn’t function. I have gone through medical issues, a death in the family and he wasn’t able to show any empathy. Instead he makes me out to be the person to blame for ‘making him so frustrated’. He is a loving person though when he chooses to be. I feel deeply saddened about this but also don’t have much trust in him that he will be there for me when I need him judging on past experience.If anyone can provide some suggestions around how I should/could act when this happens as him becoming frustrated seems to be unavoidable. I have gotten a lot better in recognising his moods and am a lot more understanding too but I am also at a loss of what to do in these situations. They cause so much instability and stress.
Is this something that we can work on together as a couple or something that he needs to figure out alone? I am grateful for any stories/tips/suggestions.
Thanks all.
- ready to leave by: Rh 12 years 1 month ago
I am at my breaking point. I've come the closest to moving out yet and researched places to live. I've already figured out a plan to make it happen. The problem is that I really don't want to leave; I want my husband to take responsibility for his behaviors and work to change them. He doesn't seem to care about how much he hurts me or our marriage. I told him yesterday after his continued excuses about why he won't get help, that he will succeed in pushing me out of this marriage. He doesn't realize just how close he is. This is very difficult for me for one, because I love him very much and usually it seems that we are functioning 'ok'. Secondly, I don't believe in divorce. I believe that through hell or high water you make it work.....I guess I've gotten to the point where I don't think anything is going to change unless I do something drastic enough to get his attention, but now I'm worried about what if me moving out doesn't actually help anything or won't be a catalyst for him to change. My goal is not divorce, my goal is for him to get the help he needs. I've been in counseling for over a year working on me. He and I went a couple of times with much difficulty getting him to attend, and things seemed to start to change, but he refuses to get treatment for his ADHD and he either can't see or refuses to believe it is destroying our marriage. I hate who I've become. I have always been a very optimistic person, always focusing on the positive, but now I just feel bitter, drained and resentful. I told him on Sunday that I hated our marriage and that I hate him. I apologized and I try to hold this type of reaction back, but I was seething at that point. While I'm venting I'll list the top complaints I have about our marriage:
- His irrational explosive humiliating and degrading temper tantrums or anger outbursts, often in public.
- His lack of presence or concern over household upkeep. I have more than often been left with all the chores. I will make him a list of what he needs to help me with so he can check it off. Sometimes that helps, but what could be done in an hour or two often takes him a week to finish....if he even does finish it. A lot of times he'll say, "ok" to whatever request I've made which are next to never since I can't rely on him, and then a day goes by, then several more, then a couple. I don't like to nag, no, I HATE to nag so I won't remind him or bug him. After a couple of weeks, I'll mention it again and then he might follow through.
- He's never here and when he is here, he is constantly undoing what I've worked so hard to finish or is the equivalent of the tazmanian devil in a whirlwind of chaos. This is so conflicting for me and makes me crazy! I miss him and want him around, but when he's around it is so frustrating and crazy that I can't wait for him to leave again! I hate this so much!!!!!!!!
- On top of the ADHD he is a recovering alcoholic. Someone had the audacity to make the comment that at least his new addiction to fishing is not to alcohol. Does it really matter if there are the same effects of putting that before everything else in your life such as your marriage and family? In May he left our family vacation early so he could fish in a small local tournament back home. He does not help me with anything household due to his rigorous fishing schedule. Not to mention his compulsive spending habits which totals several hundreds of dollars a month on fishing!!!!!!!
- He refuses to get treatment or try medication. His latest reason was he doesn't have time and that we don't have the money. LIE! He would have time if he priortized it over fishing or his thousands of over commitments he's made to church, and if he didn't spend so much money on fishing we have plenty of money for him to seek treatment. The bottom line is that he just doesn't think it's important.
- He has no interest in me or anything I have to say UNLESS he wants sex, and he thinks he can just rush right through that too so he can get on to the next thing in his overly crammed schedule. He thinks a "date night" is squeezing time for me between when he finishes working and before leaving for a fishing tournament. He thinks this is perfectly fine. He never seems to realize how extremely self centered his behavior is a majority of the time.
- I love to travel, but I HATE to travel with him. He is absolutely miserable when we travel even though he always wants to travel to new places. He cannot handle change or the slightest feeling of being out of control (even though he always seems out of control to me) so when we go anywhere it is like clockwork that he is going to have a tantrum every single day. So instead of a vacation being relaxing, it is more stressful than had I stayed at home. I hate feeling like I'm on eggshells all the time.
- He utterly disrespects me and then tries to justify it and then when I become depressed over this, he avoids acknowledging anything. His motto is always "ignore it and it will go away".....well, I guess he's right, because I'm about to go away.
There are some positives I could say about him, but the truth is I'm too angry to think about that right now. And this complete breakdown in my life could not have come at a worse time. I guess I just gotta keep dealing with it for now. God help me. Thanks for letting me vent.
- Commit? Or Get Out? by: WitsEndGirlfriend 12 years 1 month ago
I've been reading these forums for the past year or so and today I come looking for advice on my situation with my boyfriend of two years. We aren't married but we do live together and I'd love opinions from people who know what ADHD can do to a relationship in the long term.
Two years ago when I met my boyfriend we were both living at our parents' homes. I was fresh out of college and beginning to establish my career, he had bounced back home after some financial difficulties and was pretty much starting over. No car, no savings, just some debt from school where he'd been an on-again off-again student. He was open about the ADHD diagnosis he received as a child, but was not pursuing any kind of treatment even though some of the issues associated with the disorder were clearly affecting his life. These red flags didn't matter much at that stage and he won me over with all that charming hyperfocus. It felt... amazing. Soon I was driving him around, to and from his house and work, helping him out in every way I could because I liked him so much. He always assured me how hard he was working to change his circumstances and how he'd been saving and he'd have a car in a few weeks. It has never happened.
It's been about two years since then and a lot has changed. Shortly after meeting him I got a great job that I excelled at. I've been promoted several times and I'm making a name for myself in a competitive field. I'm proud of how far I've come and I know that my success is due to my hard work and responsible decision making. He found a job in the same metropolitan area and for a while we were commuting together in my car - he was also crashing at my parents' house a lot. He and I moved out of my parents' house a little less than a year ago, eliminating my 2+ hour commuting habit. When we moved in together he was oblivious/uninterested in helping with household tasks. I had to buy everything for the house -- furniture, kitchen supplies, cleaning supplies, bedding, the majority of our food. I had a good paying job and he had no savings and no money to spare after rent and his marijuana habit, so that's just the way it worked out.
He's since been fired from two jobs. I've had to loan him money too, which makes me uncomfortable because it adds a weird power dynamic to our relationship and I just want us to be equals. But now I'm wondering if a partnership of equals is even possible with an ADHD partner. I love hanging out with him, but I'm terrified that I'm signing up for a life of financial difficulties and arguments with his bad temper and victim attitude. When we fight he just says the same things over and over (sometimes verbatim - does that happen to anyone else?), but refuses to consider my perspective. Just the other night we had an argument. Once we talked I understood that it was just a misunderstanding and neither of us needed to be upset. I told him that I loved him and didn't want to argue. He wouldn't stop so I walked away from the fight just to hear him call me a "Fucking Seven Year Old" while I walked upstairs. Hearing him call me immature really gets my goat. We haven't been intimate in months.
I am not without my issues either, and there are aspects of his personality that I adore. After some rough talks a few months ago, he is much better about lending a hand around the house. But that is also due to the fact that after his most recent layoff he decided to finally go back to school and finish his degree while earning money online from home. His being home all day makes it easier for him to help out, but it also makes it easier for him to be distracted by TV/video games/the internet... etc. I'm making strides in my life and my career - I'd like to travel, think about buying a house in the next few years, and live the adult life that I've earned. My boyfriend is not at a point where he has the time or money to do these things (time... that's another thing. He sure updates his Facebook a lot on the days when he is working from home, but then has no time once I'm home. He can't even close his computer to watch TV with me!)
I'm wondering if my desire to be loved is keeping me in a relationship that is not moving forward. I have encouraged/gently prodded him to seek treatment and possibly medication for his ADHD, but he has not. I have done a lot of research and bought books for us to read -- I have read them, he has not. I know it is unreasonable to expect a person to change - but HE'S the one who told me that he was trying to get his act together! I want to feel mutually supported by my partner, but for the past two years it is me who has been supporting him. Even in Melissa Orlov's posts I read about the wives who have to keep everything together for their husbands -- that model may be great for some but it isn't what I want for my life. He would like to get married to me, but I have told him that I am not comfortable making that commitment without seeing him get on his feet a little more.
So tell me forum -- can they make the changes that they say they want? How can I tell if this is a good investment of my time? I'm still young, beautiful, and pretty successful so I know that there are other partners out there for me if that's what I choose. It's just that I'm already in love with this one. I'm so torn between a heart that loves this guy, and a brain that thinks this relationship is going nowhere. Help?
- ADHD and Asperger's by: Melodie Miller 12 years 1 month ago
Both my husband and 10 year old son have been diagnosed with ADHD and Asperger's within the last few months. Both are on medication now and in counseling with a counselor who specializes in ADHD. Both of them are handling their symptoms better and trying to improve their relationships.
However, I am miserable. I have been married for 18 years and we have 2 children. My husband and I started counseling 6 months after we got married (hyper-focused courtship explains A LOT!). We have been in counseling on and off for the entire marriage. My husband always went willingly to counseling and expressed his desire to change, but then would not do the things he said he would do. I felt that I had done "everything" in our relationship and that he was not my partner, supporter, lover-he was just another kid!
Since their diagnosis, I have read a lot of books and done a lot of research about ADHD and Asperger's. I feel hopeless and do not want to put any effort into my relationship with my husband. I feel like "What good will it do?". I AM helping my son and have the desire and patience to work with him on his struggles. My son has shown a lot of improvement with the help of medicine, counseling, and social skills classes.
From my reading, I learned that ADHD is usually a co-morbid diagnosis with another issue. In the case of my husband, this dual diagnosis means that we are struggling with which features are the ADHD and which are the Asperger's. Is he acting that way because he can't understand my feelings or because he is distracted? Which issues are treatable and which are just something I have to learn to live with? If the ADHD improves, will the Asperger's stand in the way of a better relationship?
I feel overwhelmed and I do not know what to do. It's easier to do nothing and totally withdraw from my husband-I'm not sure he's worth the effort. I am tired of trying to make things better, I resent that I have to deal with his issues, I can't even remember why I love him!
Help!
- You can't make me do anything! by: jennalemon 12 years 1 month ago
OPPOSITIONAL DEFIANCE SYMPTOMS: Adults with ODD defend themselves relentlessly when someone says they've done something wrong. They feel misunderstood and disliked, hemmed in and pushed around. Some feel like mavericks or rebels. WHAT CAUSES ODD? It's unclear. It could be that a pattern of rebellion sets in when children with ADHD are constantly at odds with adults who are trying to make them behave in ways that their executive function deficit prohibits. By the time kids have had ADHD symptoms for two or three years, 45 to 84 percent of them develop ODD, too.
Now add a spouse who tries to make things better HER WAY...the only way she knows how to be a mother and wife. Guess who is the authority figure for the rest of their home life together no matter how far out she goes to be warm and compassionate and compromising and understanding and supportive as she can be? She is still an authority figure to rebel against. The more she tries to partner, the more he feels the need to go his own way and do his own thing to feel his own power covertly. This is my observation and conclusion in what has been happening in my world. Come to think of it, DH was never one to join team sports...perferred golf.