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  • This helped us get past the recriminations by: Maximus 12 years 1 month ago

    I am a 51 year old woman with ADHD, just diagnosed a year and a half ago.  I struggle in many ways due to it, the anxiety and defensiveness affecting communication with my new spouse and our kids.  

    I was referred to a book that helped both me and my spouse to understand the core to our interpersonal communications, and how it gets distorted.  The book is "Hold Me Tight, Seven Conversations for a Lifetime of Love", by Sue Johnson.

    Sue Johnson is a couple counselor, who sought out ways to get real results for struggling/fighting couples.  Her technique of teaching them new ways to communicate had success but limited, it didn't get to what was truly behind each person's real issue to their words and actions.  In continuation of her research she looked at the physical fight or flight survival mechanism possessed by animals, to ensure a measure of security for the continuation of their species.  She determined a differentiation for this mechanism between animals and humans.  For humans there is also an emotional security component added.  The need is with us from birth, and is as essential to our survival as is our physical needs.  Emotional security ties into our worthiness and self esteem.  If we feel it slipping away we react in a number of ways, i.e. lashing out to draw attention in order to protect our emotional security, or shutting down to protect it.  Lack of understanding of why we do this, (for protecting our emotional security), is at the core of our words and actions.  To greater and lesser degrees we all do it as a coping mechanism.  How we cope depends on our combined experiences of emotional security and what we learned or developed as mechanisms to protect it.  Learning what this is about for each, has made it easier to let go of the blame of the self or the other.  I now understand that I or my partner's expression of frustration, anger, impatience, indifference or hurt is a survival act to protect each person's emotional security.  The blame, anger, indifference etc is a misguided way to reach out, not walk away, as ultimately the loss of emotional security, comes with the loss of the relationship that initially provided it.                                                                                                  

    This has been an eye opener.  I now get that I and my partner act out or withdraw as a way of trying to protect our relationship (as it initially held emotional security for both of us).  This has allowed us to step back from our fighting/withdrawing, or catch it when it starts, so we can get back to appreciating each other, as we did when we first fell in love.  

    Reactivity, impulsivity and low self esteem as part and parcel of ADHD definitely adds to the challenge of catching oneself or stepping back.  As a person with ADHD, (and the lovely components of compassion, empathy and creativity that also go with it), I and my partner incorporate a code word "Pressure", as a means of bringing back awareness.  It sometimes takes a repeat of this word for me to stop and often step back, but it has helped us begin to get back to loving, nurturing and not hurting.  We started our marriage this way and want to live out our days caring for each and others who matter to us,  knowing how integral emotional security is to the well being of all.  

    This knowledge opened a means for us to forgive and appreciate our loved ones.  It's used daily in our efforts to stop and change the negative patterns we'd been using to protect our inherent human need of emotional security. 

    This couldn't have come at a better time, as I have teens struggling for confidence in the development of their personal identities.  Having this understanding provides me with a more positive perspective and approach to handling their often baited words and actions.  

    On a different note, it is good to remember, love is a verb, an action word.

    Maximus

  • First marriage, husband very strange -ADHD? by: avan77 12 years 1 month ago

    Hi,

    I am so glad I can write in this forum, I have been very confused about the things going on in my marriage and hope I get some clarity. My mother tongue is not English so I hope I can get the points across. Sorry it is long but I wanted to give an accurate picture of him and give some examples of what happened. I hope someone will take the time to read it. I will appreciate every comment.

    I have married around 6 weeks ago. I have been dating my husband a very short time (10 weeks) but we had some personal reasons for a quick marriage. I am 35, he is 50 and I love him very much. He has been in the US since 25 years, has 2 grown kids and is from Turkey, a little Kurdish village (no Muslim; has no religion) his parents were alevites, a very loving and tolerant religion. He was married since 16 to only 1 woman until 2001! Then she divorced him. They remarried in 2005 as she got cancer and he wanted to help her with the insurance. She died in 2008 and according to him he had no other woman ever. And no woman in the last 12 years. He looked after her all the years until she died. He gave her all his money, also now to his kids: he pays their condos, has his pension on their names and pays monthly life insurances for them. I thought: "wow, what a nice man!"

    I met him on my first job here in March. He is a restaurant manager. I noticed that at work he always ran around, picking up things quickly, greeting guest at the table quickly, and then running somewhere else quickly. People could talk to him, yes, and he always gave them instructions. But I also noticed that he sometimes ran away if I talked a bit longer. I also had one hostess saying to me that he is up and down with his moods according to how well the restaurant is doing that day. He is very emotional, very friendly and helpful and everybody loves him there. He started to show an interest in me, saying he is looking for a wife, that his wife died. I was friendly but turned him down 3 times until in June when I fell in love too. I noticed right away that there was some form of communication problem that it was a bit hard to talk with him, about him not good listening etc.

    Then we married in August. He was very, very nice, loving and kind to me, feeding me with grapes (seriously) and always saying he loves me and flirting. But what I didn’t like is that he worked from 11am until 1am, 6 days a week! Then we had the relationship and his head started to spin around so he had no choice but to cut it down to 66 hrs a week!
    He told me that his ex-wife later in life (for many years) didn’t believe anymore he loved her and he tried everything to proof it to her even thought of killing himself but then didn’t do it because of the kids. Nothing worked. Also she was always sure he cheated but he said he definitely did not. I was surprised as I found him to be a very loving man. He actually says around 5 times a day he loves me and misses me! I know they had a lot of fights and he said their conversations went in circles and she thrown him out of the house many times. He had to meet his family always in hotels as she didn’t want them in the house and was jealous. In 2001 she made him choose between her and his mother. He didn’t like that and so she divorced him. But he said to me his wife always came first and he did everything for her.

    It became obvious that he was frightened about having a new marriage/ relationship again as he was scared it might be horrible again. For me marriage was the only option as I have to marry because of my religion. I was also very concerned about fornication and the consequences as we got very close to this, so one day he said we can marry quickly so I feel better. He said he marries me because he loves me just that it is much quicker then he thought and wanted to keep it secret to his kids and family, and tell them later.

    In the 3 months of courtship there were around 4 times when we had an argument, he got upset and talked about finishing right away but then right after changed his mind again.
    And also sometimes he said strange things like: "I told my wife as well if she wants to leave to go with another man she can, I will send her flowers if she thinks she is happier with him, I would only be happy for her and tell myself I obviously didn’t give her enough of what she needed so its somehow my fault". "No, I would not be jealous and have pain if I see you with another man" (he explained he would just be angry) "It's your choice, you are a free woman, you can leave whenever you want". I found this talking always very strange! Especially as he loves me very much.
    This quickly wanting to leave when an argument came up: I always put that down to the fact that he was traumatized from his horrible marriage.

    We also had an issue with communication as I like to talk and he said: "no, I like it short and sweet, short and sweet”. After the marriage he told me he knows he is impatient when people don’t get things and not a good listener".

    After the wedding he told me with tears in his eyes that he will do everything to make me happy.
     


    Soon after the marriage the fights increased. 2 days after the wedding I wanted to discuss something as we had a problem coming up. That took some time to talk about it. At some point he jumped up and went to the living room saying he will in the morning go back to courthouse as he has 72hrs to reverse it. I talked 2 hours to him as I was in shock, to no avail. The next morning I was scared to talk as I didn’t want to make it worse but then did tell him and he realized what he had done and cried for 3 hours, saying how bad he was to me and promising me he will never ever say he leaves me again so quickly, and that he loves me so much and will try at least 1 year....(I asked him to do that as I myself have an issue with rejection because of my childhood and cant cope with it when people say at every argument the relationship doesn’t work we should separate and then later take it back and cry).

    But the whole thing was surprising for me as before we got married I made sure to explain to him everything about myself and my religion. I am a Christian and have my moral standards: no sex before marriage, no fornication, adultery, lying, swearing etc. And also that I cannot divorce him unless he commits adultery. He promised me he would also only leave me on those grounds. He agreed with many things and made many, many promises to me about many things in general.
    Those arguments happened often that he said things and then later said he didn’t mean them, but that his anxiety comes up when I continue talking and he gets angry and then tells me to live separately or he doesn’t eat my food anymore etc. Or I can leave if I want to. And later he always regretted it and sometimes cried very much!

     

    Now I’m going to write a couple of examples down which are very strange experiences with him:

    1) 3 days later I saw message in his Facebook account in his I-phone (he allowed me to play with it). I saw that for 1 year, and far into our relationship - up to our wedding day, he has been writing with a Russian girl. She was very obvious and said about missing and kissing him and wanting to see him again in the hotel in turkey. He said about missing her too. But she was much more intense. But last October he wrote: “I will be kissing you when we meet again”. At another message last year she said she had no man since him and wants him to have sex with her.

    1 time per year he goes for 3 weeks to turkey and she knew he would come in September and wanted to meet him. Up to July when we were already engaged he said: “Ok I will meet you in the hotel, I will book the hotel as you want”. Then he kept on not answering her much and then on our marriage day (Aug 17) he said: "I have a girlfriend now, our relationship has become very serious, I don’t think it’s a good idea anymore to meet, I hope we can stay friends of course...” She replied and wished him all the best with kisses. He replied saying he hopes to see her in the future.
    I confronted him the next morning as he said he never ever had a girlfriend, and never kissed anybody in 12 years since his wife divorced him. He spent around 40 mins to explain to me that he met her last year when he was with his brother in law in the hotel but was never alone with her and never kissed her and never had feelings for her but never knew if things change later, but didn’t keep an open door with her while with me. Her English is very bad he said.

    Even after all this explaining I didn’t really believe him and when I followed him in the bathroom he suddenly moved around and told me something completely different: I did sleep with her! But you told me you had no woman since your wife divorced you! I had 2 women! I always lied and our whole marriage is based on lies! Why have you always lied to me? Because I didn’t want to tell you, I was worried how you see it! Did you also cheat on your wife? Yes!
    When? On the cruise ship, 2 times, I am sorry. I have always been cheating! Can you at least promise me you won’t do it to me? No I will do it because one time a cheater always a cheater. I am not a good man for you, you should go. You deserve far better then me. Much better.
    Are you sure you are telling me the truth or are you angry again? No, I’m calm I’m telling you the truth. I'm devastated. I am also devastated. Why are you telling me now? Because its better you get hurt now then later.....
    This went on for around 2 hours!! and he said all of this while taking his shower, preparing breakfast and getting dressed. And I was beyond despair and devastated!
    Then after 2 hours of him explaining I accidently said: “OK, tell me now again what is really true and I promise you I will believe it and never question you again.” And to my very surprise he said: "I didn’t sleep with the Russian girl and I also didn’t cheat on my wife".
    I was shocked and didn’t know what to believe anymore. I tried to exercise lots of patients and asked why he told me all of that and he said: "You anyway didn’t believe what I said and I didn’t want to have another marriage where the woman doubts me forever and as I cant say I leave you anymore I made this story up because I thought then you would leave me! And then I just thought it is best to stick to that story!
    Since that day he kept saying that he never cheated and only ever had his wife in his 50 years. But he often talks about his head being in a mess.

    2) One day he comes home and says his kids also believe that he cheated their mother on his 7 years working on the cruise ship, because they noticed he often didn’t wear his ring on the photos. I say “wow even they don’t believe you?” and he replies: “My wife always believed I was cheating, maybe she was right.”
    Why do you say this? Because you don’t trust me!

    3) He comes home laughing and says: “what did you do, what did you put into my food that I married you so quickly?” I say I don’t like this kind of humor and instead of stopping he goes on and on and on. At some point he gets upset blames me and goes to bed. I follow him and very nicely try to talk and explain that I’m different and don’t want this. But he gets angry and is asking me to stop talking and I say I just quickly want to make peace and we go to sleep but it doesn’t work. (When I talk to him he listens for a short time and then doesn’t care anymore. If I then continue he gets angry and becomes very rude and very unkind and sleeps on the couch and there is no way to reconcile for this moment, I can be like an angel talking to him or just say I’m so hurt please come at least back to bed but he is harsh and says "NO. You been a bad woman, bad Christian etc...."
    Strange as it may sound, there are always hours of great closeness and understanding and every day sex in between this. Where he is kind and does things for me. I just often try to follow my religion and put up and forgive. But he hurts me very often, almost every day, sometimes badly. He has times when he says that I deserve much better then him and I should have married someone from my religion. And I say I cannot leave him as marriage is for life and I'm stuck and can only leave on grounds of adultery. But love him. He said he tried to come to my high moral standard but can't make it. But whenever those arguments happen he is completely different and for those moments blames me 100%. But when calm he seems to think it's him!

    He promised not to make sarcastic jokes anymore. But only days later he came into the bedroom and said, laughing: “my next wife I want her to be like this and that... “. Again I kindly said that I don’t want him to be talking like this, first he understood but then right after he says that I don’t trust him and these are jokes, in relationships everything can be said and I should have full 100% trust in him and laugh it off. And I said I’m not used to this kind of sarcastic jokes and then he gets upset and says: "ok I am temporarily with you until I find another woman" I say: “Ok but this is a joke.” No its not! Why do you do this to me, it makes me insecure! “Because you don’t trust me.”

    4) Another time we had an issue coming up and as always he tries to avoid arguments and doesn’t want to talk but I always say its necessary and to give me at least 5 minutes. Then I explain and he tries to listen, but if he doesn’t get it right away he wants to stop as he thinks by talking we create an argument! He always thinks fights and arguments can be avoided by adults and I know this is a dangerous attitude as you must be able to discuss differences and work them out! Something he obviously never learned. I always thought he is only scared because of his bad marriage so he wants to avoid talking. I don’t know.
    He told me at some point that he said to his last wife he wants his next wife to be mute and deaf.

    Every time I do something he doesn’t like. I can be very calm, ask questions he doesn’t like, get involved in his money business, he doesn’t think it’s right. Then he gets upset quickly and is harsh and tells me not to get involved and not to ask anything. I feel it’s not fair and too much. Then I say I want at least to know. Very quickly after that he still seems calm but says bad things like "no you don’t need to know". Then I say "I’m your wife" and he says: "you are my wife on paper; you are my wife on paper." Also says that I’m crazy, have to go to hospital. Later I tried so hard to come to a conclusion with him and he said I’m screwing up his brain! Afterwards he apologized for saying I’m only his wife on paper. Said he loves me but when he is angry he is out of control and cannot feel it. He said his whole body is like little needles and talks about his brain again. When I said I need him now as I have so much pain inside, he said that he won’t come and that everybody has to deal with their own pain. Do you not want to at least make up and be in peace again? “NO I can’t come. I’m sorry to say that but I’m not a good husband for you.”

    5) We talked, he explained something and in his opinion I am not getting it. He gets upset. After begging him to sit down with me he quickly does so and tries to listen but he is already angry. I’m rushing and explaining quickly in 2 sentences but he gets me the wrong way and jumps to conclusions, gets more upset and angry. I say "no I don’t mean it like that" and I try to explain but he wouldn’t listen in this state, then I ask him to give me just 5 minutes and calmly sit down with me, but he just talks to himself and is mad….I say kindly: "no it’s a misunderstanding please listen I can solve it very quickly." He says: "no it’s not a misunderstanding."  Then he gets angrier and saying things about what I just did and I say "no let me explain please just give me that chance." But he doesn’t give me the chance….
    It is very difficult for me to leave in that state because it’s not fair and I could solve it, if he would only listen before he gets angry. At that point he is saying “get out of my face.” And I am very, very hurt. He went into the bathroom continuing to fix the shelf and I came after him, trying to talk, and he is saying “you’re sick, your nuts, your stupid...”

    Many times he said to me if I continue to talk his anxieties come up and he is scared of getting another marriage like the one he had. He also often said about his head and sometimes about the emptiness in his head and head can't take things and about his sensations like needles in his body and things like that. But I put this all down to his 66 hours work a week. Not having had a break in 15 months, having a new relationship, having rushed into marriage etc...

     

    Now he is away for 3 weeks and I had a big problem with noise from new neighbors upstairs and can’t live here anymore. He almost says nothing about it on the phone even though I’m going through hell here (lawyer, landlord etc.) It makes me feel he doesn’t care but he says he does and just wants to hear me saying: I love you and I miss you. (I am very worried when he comes that he plays things down and doesn't want to move as I have to otherwise I go sick from the noise!)
    Before he went he said: "I will call you very short from there, I turn off my iphone. I call you once a week." I was upset and then agreed but he ended up calling me every day. On the airport he was very emotional, had tears in his eyes and sent afterwards 3 messages: I miiiiiissss you. I looooooove you. I try not to hurt you again.
    Then once there he called and was very cool and sober (I don’t know him like this) and after asking him he said he feels quite normal as he was separated from his wife many times and she never came with him to see his family and he can deal with this very well. But 2 days later he (surprisingly) left a very intense message on my phone saying he loves me sooooo much and to be honest misses me more and more each day. I counted it and he said it 7 times and was extremely emotional again. In the next calls he was normal again.
    Before he went he also said to me that he will not tell me on the phone anything about what his family thinks and when he comes back we will sit 1 hour down and he will explain everything and then he never wants to talk about it again. Last time he called he said he will have his tongue taken out before he comes back.

    He calls me 5-10 minutes each day and we don’t talk about anything what happens with him or me; he tells me almost nothing about there and just says he loves me and misses me. I can’t really tell him anything about here, if I do there is not much response.

    This emotional up and down is another thing about him. But usually, when here, he is very loving, kissing and hugging. And even sends me messages from work that he misses me. The relationship constantly changes between: arguing and if I want to solve them he gets quickly angry, being very uncaring, ignorant and rude! And then again later he is singing: “ohhh my daaaarling, I loooooove you, myyyy girl, sooo much, I never leeeeave you", and him doing everything for me. Sometimes I thought he was insane as these changes happen sometimes between hours!

    The worst thing for me is the almost non-communication about things. I can always (not on the phone now) talk to him and ask him to sit down. He does that for a couple of minutes but then gets up and just leaves or says he wants to stop. I remember when I told him something in the car and he reached the bank got out and closed the door in the middle of me telling him something. I opened the door and shouted “I was not finished” and he angrily shouted back “I come back in 3 minutes”. When he came back I was too scared to say anything as he could have got angry at me. He always says that I am creating problems when I want to work things out by talking. Now whenever I explain to him things for example about the importance of talking and communication in marriage he says: "don’t give me another class". Which is very annoying!

    In the supermarket he suddenly disappeared. I was searching for 10 mins, found him and asked him nicely to let me know next time. He said he is 50 and couldn’t understand why I said that. I tried to explain in a couple of sentences, he didn’t get it and said “you are paranoid.” I then realized it was a misunderstanding as he thought he can’t go away and I only meant him to tell me, so I said: “it’s a misunderstanding, please just give me 1 minute to explain.” He said: “No. You are making a nice day into an argument. Stop it. Stop it or I am leaving the supermarket.” I said: “but....” And he left! He was mad at me for 1 hour or so and I couldn’t understand why.
    With my last boyfriend I could sometimes talk for 2 hours about all kinds of nice things, watch films and look at photos but he wants everything quick and doesn’t even show an interest in my past.

    One time I explained to him about my past and he said absolutely nothing and I told him exciting and heavy things for around 40 minutes. At the end he just got up and combed his hair. I wanted feedback or interest in what I just said and he said: “what do you want me to say? It’s like a story. Its like I switch on TV and then I switch it off again.”
    I was very upset as I felt he didn’t care about my past, grandmother, and mother. I put all of this down to his character.

    Last night however I went to the restaurant where he is usually working and a girl who works with him since 6 months told me she has ADS and believes he has this too as he runs away in conversations, runs around like crazy and always does many different things etc. I never heard about ADHD before and just hope that somebody here can tell me if that could explain his behavior.

    Also in one fight he said he breaks all his promises he made before the marriage as he can’t do those things, it doesn’t work. It turned out that promises don’t mean much for him in general as they can be changed any time. He even said promises are there to be broken. Nothing in life is sure. Now my whole trust in him is gone! He often says what he will do and later changes his mind. And often goes backward and forward! He said to me that it is normal and he might say to me that we go to the Zoo tomorrow but in the morning might change it again. With other things he seems reliable. He has been working in his last job for 12 years and the job before for 8 years... So this doesn’t sound like a typical symptom.

    It’s always the same: a little disagreement comes up. I try to solve it, if I can’t do it in 2 minutes he gets angry, if I then continue he gets very rude. If I then explain and try to be nice he gets his jacket on and talks about leaving and that the marriage doesn’t work out. (I always stopped him from going) One hour later he says he loves me and would not leave anyway. Also his strange jokes about other woman and the marriage and him out of the blue fooling around and being like a little child and not stopping when I don’t like it and ask him to stop. His behavior is very unpredictable!

    He always says his childhood was good, but that he was a very naughty boy, teasing and doing bad things and his parents always punished him and hit him, but he says he deserved it. He never tells me more as I think he dislikes talking. Now on the phone he said everyone in his family always is talking and he doesn’t seem to understand it.
    I can’t even watch a 1 hour film with him. Also, he is working too much (by choice), he seems to be very particular of doing his job as perfect as possible, and I see him not often.

    Could he have ADHD?

  • Sex life with ADD ADHD and anxiety by: xoangiee 12 years 1 month ago

    Hi everyone, I'm new to  this site and was hoping to get some feedback on how to go about my current situation. My partner has ADD, ADHD and anxiety. At the beginning of the relationship everything was perfect. He paid attention to me, the smallest details, he went out of his way to make me smile and to satisfy my needs. As the relationship went on it seemed as if he was slowly losing interest in me. He was constantly distracted, not as affectionate, didn't want to have sex, touch, anything..(Unless we were out with other couples, then he'd be all lovely dovey and show me off) he threw himself into his work. Knowing that he has ADD, ADHD and anxiety I brought up how I was feeling about the lack of intimacy in our relationship (I'm lucky if I get laid twice a month...) and he got extremely apologetic telling me that he loves me and doesn't want to lose me and all that jazz. He told me that he gets distracted by stress of money and bills, things that he has to do and everything whenever getting intimate with me and that he actually has to force himself to have sex and he doesn't enjoy it and he basically does it so I'm happy... which kind of hurt. Even knowing that this is normal it still feels as if I'm not attractive to him anymore (I have actually shown up in lingere, heels, everything and have been rejected by him.), that he see's me just as a friend and is keeping me around just for the company. I want to have that intimacy level with him again and have a normal relationship where both of our needs are met because I'm getting fustrated to the point that I dont even know what to do anymore. I love this man with all my heart and want to spend the rest of my life with him like I promised.. but I'm completely unsatisfied and don't know how to go about it at all. I just fake a smile and pretend that everythings okay because I hate the hurt I see in his eyes when I tell him the truth of how I'm feeling on this subject. 

    He's on Ceriquill (or how ever you spell it) that he takes at night, I don't know if this has anything to do with his lack of libido. 
    I want to do anything and everything I can to save my relationship and get back to being happy... Help, please!

  • dating and ADHD by: SKH 12 years 1 month ago

    Just a view month ago I started dating again after finally recovering from a failed marriage ending in divorce about 2 years ago. I met my date back in July and we were attracted to each other immediately both physically as well as spiritually. After a few dates, he mentioned he has to disclose something/tell me a secret as he put it. He said he was diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago after his son was diagnosed (if I recall correctly). I had no idea what that meant for adults ( I have heard of it in kids and what some of the effects are...). He also mentioned he is on medication (stimulating) and sees regularly a counselor since about 5 years. He is separated and divorced for about the same time after 20 years of marriage. I felt empathy and compassion when he told me about the shock he experienced when his wife walked out on him from one day to the other, possibly influenced by her family. The hardest part for him seems to be that his daughter (20) and son (21) left as well, most of their belongings are still in their room in the house. Lot's of memories for him, most of them good. He has a very good relationship with his son who is in college in Colorado. His daughter seems to be more distant and relates more to her mother (this interpretation is based on his stories and interactions with his daughter - I never met them). He is very creative and finally is able to combine his passion and work, he currently starts an interior design company. He is super focused on his business and his kids wellbeing, which gives us not very much time to meet and get to know each other. Many times when we meet he is very tired, so I try not to overwhelm him wit my energy and enthusiasm. I traveled the world and lived in many different places and continents and cultures. I worked with many charismatic leaders and pride myself to be tolerant to many different viewpoints, opinions, lifestyles and can deal with conflict. However, I have a significant problem with is his communication style or the lack thereof. At times I don't hear anything from him (neither text nor phone call) for 10 days including week ends! I felt very frustrated at times, but gave him time and didn't say anything (just left short voice mails and text messages or e-mails). When I observed strange behavior in social settings (he joint me at an event  - I am coaching 3 young underprivileged girls - he stayed distant and did not communicate or connect with other participants until the very end). After that incident and other observations about constant tardiness - which I have no problem to manage and cope with - I started reading more about ADHD especially with regard to medication and ADHD and the effect on relationships. The lack of attention started to hurt significantly, our dates seemed to be third or fourth priority for him and at times were forgotten....(that just happened this week end). I started reading more about ADHD and made a very surprising discovery. Based on all the information I found and after reading just a few free pages out of Melissa's book, I recognized many familiar patterns from my relationship and marriage with my ex-husband and came to the conclusion that not the alcoholism might have been our problem, but he might have ADHD (also based on some incidents he mentioned about his childhood)! I acknowledge I do not have the experience and background to diagnose ADHD, but this revelation helped to explain many events and actions and also my reaction based on frustration and anger (which I am not proud of, but I did not know what else to do or how to react....). I ordered Melissa's book today and hope to get more answers or be able to understand better.... One thing is for sure I will do everything I can to avoid to make the same mistakes twice, that might even mean not to enter into a relationship with a partner diagnosed with ADHD. I will also seek advice how to better communicate my needs with the man I date without upsetting him (setting boundaries). One result of my research is that I will try to schedule with him exercise dates. He also might not be efficiently medicated, but that is beyond my influence ( I would be interested learning about new research with regard to medications). For my own health and wellbeing I might have to stop dating him, if I do not see change in his behavior soon (which will be very hard as I fell in love with him). Financially and professionally, I am in a somewhat difficult situation myself right now after my divorce, trying to build a new life for myself in a country/continent I moved to 9 years ago to follow my ex-husband. Hence, I need a partner I can rely on (who does what he says he will do), who is attentive, responsible and available as well as capable to represent with me at social events. My conclusion is, I might not have what it takes to enter into a relationship with him, if he at all would be willing....

  • excuses for behavior by: Norman 12 years 1 month ago

    Hi This is my first time here,my girlfriend of 10 years (we are 60)I think she has found a way to lustify her behavior and to stop taking her meds. She has joined this "New Age- Metaphysical group that believes all in the world is right ,there is no and that you can create that in your own mind, and now her behavior is getting worse, she is cheating and lying, I am desperately trying to educate my self .Everything I say sets her off,she says "Idont need the adderral I can create my own reality.I am extremely frustrated and angry.I an going to see a counselor to try and learn what to do , any davice would be very welcome,

    thanks  Norm

  • I am exhausted by: stressedquilter 12 years 1 month ago

    i everyone

    I'm married to a 56yr old with ADHD - he has never been formally diagnosed, but when he heard a radio program last year about ADHD, it was blindingly obvious that he has it, and has had from a child. He could be the poster child for ADHD! So far we haven't approached a doctor, because here they won't countenance medication for adults with ADHD (because of stimulant abuse). I've tried searching for a private doctor, rather than going through the free healthcare system, but there isn't one with 350 miles of us. I'm not even sure if my husband would be eligible for stimulants anyway, because he has very high blood pressure. So here we are, struggling away, without any hope of medical or pharmaceutical intervention.

    The dynamic between us has drastically switched in the last year. I've got a history of depression & anxiety, and always leaned on my husband for everything. He babied me. Now the tables have turned with a vengeance. It's like, once he realised that he had ADHD, he just gave up on life. He is becoming more helpless by the day. He leans on me to the extreme, not just for obvious things like reminding him of appointments, etc, but for everything, from big to small. He has become completely passive, and has gone from being well able to cope with life, despite the challenges it poses him, to being unable to cope with anything at all. Thankfully this has coincided with a period where I am strong mentally & emotionally, and able to pick up the slack, but it's wearing me down even so. I feel like I've suddenly got a giant baby to look after. I run our business, I run the home, I live my life, and now I live his life too.

    Neither of us are happy, with the situation, or with each other. There is no physical intimacy between us any more, we both acknowledge that our bond now feels more like mother and child, and that is a complete turn off. I have read every book on ADHD that I can get hold of, but my husband can't cope with reading them. We both still love each other very very much, but our relationship is deteriorating. My husband tells me 20 times a day, I can't do that, I've got ADHD - and I get that this is a valid reason for many of the issues he has, but he is doing absolutely nothing to help himself, just laying back and playing dead. He won't attempt a diet change, vitamin/herbal remedies, nothing like that. He wants to try medication, but as I've said, that doesn't seem to be an option. I wonder if he has depression now too - it doesn't seem to be like my experience of depression, but he certainly isn't himself any more. He doesn't sleep well, and that doesn't help him (or me, since he has to disturb me if he can't sleep).

    I don't really know what to do, where to turn, where to go from here. I would be so grateful for any help at all. He is the one really suffering here, but it's really getting me down too.

     

    S.Q.

  • advice on illogical arguments by: firedancer16 12 years 1 month ago

    I wasn't sure where to turn for advice, or at least the specific advice I seem to need, and since searching "husband with ADD has illogical arguments" on google seems to bring up weird results, I decided to post here.

    I've known my husband for a little over four years, married almost 2, and we have an 11 month old child together. Let me say that compared to day 1 with my husband, today he has made leaps and bounds with his life and is actually acting semi independently unlike when we met. Long story short he has ADD and it wasn't diagnosed until late high school, combine that with parents that did absolutely (and I mean everything and anything) everything for him, and I soon found out after marriage that my husband was very dependent. At first I didn't mind doing all the normal things like cooking, cleaning, organizing, deciding, etc, but I quickly became aware that sometimes I need a shoulder to lean on and it wasn't really (and still isn't) there for me. I am getting resentful of the fact that I have to do it all, be it all, and decide it all. I am a natural leader in that I will take charge of things normally, but sometimes I wish there was more of a team in our marriage.

    My husband does a lot of things well, like loving me and our child. He is compassionate to us, and tries hard to support most of our family financial needs. He is a good person and his upbringing has made him naive in some ways, but it's a good thing and I actually enjoy that quality about him. He doesn't ignore me, but does "tune out". He definitely grumbles about doing almost anything I need him to do such as chores, etc, but he does them while dragging his feet and talking like a defiant teenager. He needs a lot of direction which I get, because of ADD. His common sense is not the best either so I end up doing a lot of tasks myself. Lately it just seems like I'm running myself ragged.

    I got fired over a year ago when "performance issues" came to a head apparently after having no problems ever in a job for 6 years, but did come up after announcing my pregnancy. That is a different support group all together. My point is that I was able to stay at home for a bit with our child while searching for new employment. I was receiving unemployment benefits during that time but I was killing myself to find another job. My husband who is very successful in his job and works hard for us liked to remind me if we argued that I "stayed home all day", and that he shouldn't have to participate in chores and other household situations because he worked all day and I didn't. As any stay at home mother can tell you, raising a child all day is not a piece of cake. Remember-I have always done everything around the house including taking care of the baby. I'm not sure if it is his upbringing or his ADD or a combination but the man never once has helped me late at night when the baby woke, has never tried learning her requirements at each month as far as food, development is concerned, and basically only helps with changing a diaper once in a while. He does his part of reading to her and helping with things when asked, but complains if I ask god forbid to give her a bath like he is a teenager rebelling against his parents.

    I find that when we argue about this stuff he becomes illogical and I'm wondering if that is a symptom or caused by his ADD? Like if he gets angry, does it literally create a situation in his brain (I'm being serious), that makes him not think logical? He will go off on tangents that when we are not angry at each other and talk about, he says he just says that when he is mad and he knows I work hard, etc. So I don't know what side of him to believe? Does he really think the things he says, or should I believe the guy that talks to me when we're both calm?

    He'll start saying insane things like if we are arguing over why he doesn't get up with the baby at night ever, it's because he needs his sleep and I "forgot what it was to work'. He blames himself having to work so hard because I came into the marriage with student loans and he "hates them" (which I'm actually paying myself so the argument is futile), and then he'll move onto my family-(who help immensely with baby sitting but not a ton because I'm home most of the time), that they didn't help me enough financially therefore I have the loans (I have 4 siblings and obviously that is a lot of college money for any family to have). He'll then say crazy stuff like he asked all these people if they think I'm the one being selfish if I asked him to wake with the baby knowing he works in the morning, and they all thought I was a jerk. (Who these people are I don't know.) I believe it's his child so he should do things 50/50 no matter what time he wakes up. He'll also attack the fact that I like a clean house and say I'm a "cleanliness fanatic". He didn't really grow up with that so he doesn't get why I work so hard at it. He hates that during arguments about how he does more then me (he always likes a competition) that I tell him I clean the house by myself and take care laundry, cooking, etc, that I don't have to clean, or do those things, I choose to. (We have three animals, a baby, and two adults-trust me I need to vacuum daily!)  He literally argues that I make up all the things I have to do everyday to make it seem like I work harder, and if he asked 10 families that they would say I don't have to do any of it. I try to convince him that normal people vacuum and dust, and sometimes even do dishes. I literally think he believes I make stuff up and he does not understand or can't understand what normal families do. This paragraph can get much bigger but I'll spare you.

    Fast forward to a few weeks ago. I get a part time job (FINALLY), and still do all the above mentioned things, and now we have an argument tonight after our teething baby wakes up over who has to get her AGAIN. Reminding you here that he has NEVER gotten her during the night since birth. He now says, I don't work "as much", and he gets up "an hour earlier"...so I apparently have an hour extra sleep to play with and be the baby lady all night. It's like you were complaining that I didn't work before, now I do, and you still think you shouldn't have to do anything??? Granted, I work 15 hours a week now which doesn't seem like much- but I work with Special Education children in middle school who are quite a handful. I do enjoy the work but believe me 3 hours a day, everyday, is tiring when you combine it with all that I do.

    Bottom line I am sick of being "IT" all the time and having to plead practically with him to participate in real family life! I don't want to argue anymore about why he shouldn't have to participate, or that other families do exactly what I do, or why he thinks he works harder then me and can get out of everything. I certainly am sick of hearing all the illogical reasons he has as to why I should shoulder all the burden of everyday life.

    Silver lining-he did see a physician after I begged him for a year, who referred him to a neurologist to get help with ADD. He has never had consistent treatment since he never thought he had a problem until he read up on ADD and it's effects. I'm hoping they can do something for him. He does not respond well to stimulate drugs and stopped taking them a few years ago, and wants to try a newer non-stimulate drug on the market to see if it helps him become more involved-without the unwanted side effects.

     

    PHEW. Thanks for reading, I truly appreciate it.

     

     

     

  • Yet another husband/dad doing it wrong... by: Anonymous (not verified) 12 years 1 month ago

    This seems unsolvable, but probably isn't.  I've been married for about 15 years.  We have a 12  year old son.  He and I were diagnosed with ADD about 4 years ago.   Just before this diagnosis, my wife was in therapy (and we had some marriage therapy) to deal with emotional and physical abuse from my wifes childhood.  Things got better for a few months.  

    It's been a constant struggle with our boy, who is extremely emotional and strong willed.  My wife and I have similar qualities, or used to.   She has an exceptionally strong personality, and once her mind is made up, does not back down for anything.  In 20 years, I have never seen her waver on this.     The boy and I take Adderall.  His is a pretty low XR dose, mine is a high fast acting dose several times per day.

    Lately, things have come to a head.  I'm to the point where I don't even want to share my feelings or opinions about anything.  They'll either be ignored, or shot down.  Without fail, if I respond to a "What do you think?" or if I offer my opinion about something important, the next thing out of her mouth is "But..." or "No..."  If I'm parenting in a way she thinks isn't right, or is a bad example, she'll take over, and I'm effectively one of the Children.  She agrees that she does this, but defends her actions because I'm teaching our son bad habits, which he then recycles at us.     

    I'm to the point that I just want her to tell me what she wants so I can do it.  I don't want to suggest that I have ideas, or try to exert any authority because I'll be wrong.  She is in a few "Wives with ADD Husbands" support groups and makes good sense when she tells me that I don't see what the ADD is doing to me, or to our family.  She believes that she made enormous progress with her personal mud-puddles when her counselor, but that I'm still stuck and need to seek help.   

    We do not communicate.  We don't fight much either, we just ignore.  When we do fight, we never make up.    We are no longer intimate (as of several years ago), and I (prefer to) sleep on the couch as of very recently.  She says she loves me, but I have absolutely no idea what that means.  

    We have strong religious beliefs that tie us together, as does our son.  But, as she put it:  "I've always loved you, despite what the ADD does to you...but it's getting hard."

    We do have a therapist that we use occasionally to help the boy with behavior goals he's working on.  He's the doctor that diagnosed us, and in my opinion, is quite perceptive and good at what he does.   I suppose that I should go to him alone, and start to work through my ADD problems...  I just don't know if 1) they exist in any form that can be dealt with, 2) they are all that is wrong with our marriage and 3) I could ever convince her (or myself) that I actually do want to be a husband/parent figure in our marriage.

    I should probably feel more, but to be honest...I'm just so tired.     No responses needed really...just venting.  I'll read other posts...I'm sure I'll get some good information there.  

  • At my wit's end, and so unsure. by: antihoarder 12 years 1 month ago

    Hi everyone. I'm recently registered to this site but have been "lurking" and reading the posts for months. I see so much of my home life in each and every one of you, and thus far, just reading your posts has provided me with much comfort when my frustrations are at an all time high. Recently, unfortunately, it hasn't been enough so I thought I might finally take the step to register, post, and get my story out there. I'm sorry if it's long - I'll try to avoid making a "wall of text"!

    My husband and I have been married three years - but together for ten (cohabitating now for seven.) I was raised in a high-performing high-pressure household by a loving but demanding dad and an OCD/Perfectionism Personality Disorder mom - we vacuumed EVERY day. The house had to be at an "entertaining company" level of clean all the time, and I was raised that if you don't take care of something you don't deserve to have it. This includes your home, your car, etc - keep it clean, keep it organized, keep it maintained, or you shouldn't have it at all. I recognize that this isn't necessarily healthy, and it's something I've been trying to work on. I no longer balance my checkbook every day (LOL - really!). I don't vacuum every day anymore, I am *trying* not to judge my self-worth by the cleanliness of my kitchen, and I don't get into a tizzy if the shower gets dingy in the corners or if the bed isn't made every day. I still have regular purging sessions from my closet or junk rooms and have "drag everything out, throw away half, put it all away" moments when certain problem areas get too cluttered, but I'm improving.

    I've had to improve because I married a diagnosed ADDer! I know, I know - borderline OCD/PPD person marries an ADDer - what were we thinking? LOL. So many of the household chore conflicts posted on this site echo my own. There is a perpetual pile of laundry (sometimes clean, sometimes dirty, sometimes both) at the foot of the bed, and a perpetual pile of business cards/receipts/mail on the nightstand, office desk, kitchen counter, breakfast nook table. The remnants of hobbies past litter the house - a pile for this hobby which lasted 3 months, a pile for THAT hobby which lasted six months, etc. Dirty dishes are always placed NEXT TO (never, ever IN) the sink, cups left out on the coffee table, socks and shoes underneath the coffee table, etc. Ever since we've lived together there's been one excuse or another about why he "can't" pick up after himself - when we move into a bigger rental with two closets in the master. When we move into a house with a walk in closet. When we own our own home. When we can make more storage space. Funny thing is, the ADD is "never" the problem - it's always the house, the fact that there's "nowhere to put anything," etc. If it's something he CAN do ("Why don't you put your dishes IN the sink for me to wash, instead of putting them on the counter NEXT to the empty sink?"), my request is demanding and controlling. I recognize this is possible, so try to stay objective, but I've been hearing this now for seven years.

    It's not just household tasks - birthdays and anniversaries are forgotten, the once-abundant spontaneous hugs/kisses/"I love you"s are no more, and I can't tell you the last time I got a "nice surprise" of flowers, or a hug, or a dinner. I try to do it for him but getting over the resentment that's now built up is difficult.

    DH is diagnosed, medicated (Vyvanse and Wellbutrin, Xanax on occasion), but not utilizing therapy or counseling beyond a meeting with his PA every couple of months to renew his Rx. I've mentioned to him several times that cognitive behavioral therapy or counseling (individual OR couples!) would be helpful, but he is vehemently against counseling of any kind. I've brought it up in the context of our relationship ("Do you think it would help if...?") and in the context of our friend's relationships that we've seen disintegrate ("They've decided to go to counseling to try to work on their problems") and in either context his reponse is the same: "I don't agree with counseling at all. I don't think it accomplishes anything, and all you're doing is airing out dirty laundry to a stranger." He gets very defensive very easily when we've talked about our conflicts before, so I assume this is that defensiveness popping up. Counseling must seem to him like an invitation to a firing squad.

    Still, I don't know how much longer I can go on this way. I am trying my best to lovingly disconnect and keep separate what I can: DH works from home in a very high-stress job, so I have told myself that our office simply doesn't exist. I shut the door and let him create as many messes in there as he wants. We do our own laundry, even though I haven't been able to use the laundry basket in months (it's filled with his laundry at the foot of the bed) - I just carry a big bundle in my arms to and from the laundry room. I swear, our bedroom looks like that of two teenagers fighting who have drawn a line down the middle - my nightstand is clear, floor is clear, hamper is closed.  His nightstand is cluttered, hamper overflowing, stuff on the floor. I've stopped moving his things when I vacuum and instead just vacuum AROUND them - leading to dustbunnies around his shoes, socks, mail, etc. Some mornings I even just make MY side of the bed, since he's covered his in clothes while getting dressed.

    I pay all the bills, except his personal cell phone (which got shut off for nonpayment, now he uses his work-provided phone instead,) his car insurance (automatically bills to his credit card), and his credit card. I do all the grocery shopping, toiletry shopping, etc. I plan and execute the vast majority of our meals, do most of the dishes, manage our social calendar... essentially, I keep our household running.

    I've recently poured myself into work - accepting many more meetings outside of work hours, going to social functions thrown by colleagues, etc. I've started spending time with my own friends, separate from him. I joined a fitness club/center and have lost a great amount of weight. I've changed my eating habits to be healthier, am getting up far earlier than he does (about 5 or 5:30 AM every day) to work out before work, and go to bed much earlier than he does. He's up until midnight or 1am every night and is usually still in bed when I leave for work.

    I worry about so much. I worry how much longer I can continue cleaning this house on my own before I lose it. I worry about him losing his job. Most of all, I worry about having children. He wants them SO badly, but I near a panic attack just THINKING about what my life will be like trying to juggle that all on my own. I've done so much research, and I *logically* understand that at the end of the workday he's used up all his brainpower just working, and he needs to veg out to recover. But vacuuming, mopping, doing laundry, doing last night's dishes, cooking dinner, doing tonight's dishes, moving his shoes from the coffee table so I can sit down, all while he zones out playing games on his cell phone or working on "the newest" hobby is getting really hurtful, and really old. I really, truly, love this man - but I need to decide if we can work through this before we bring children into the equation, and things feel like they're coming to a head.

    Thanks for listening, all. I'm hoping to get to know you all a little better, and hopefully use this as a mini support system as I work through this.

  • Job problems by: jerseygirl17 12 years 1 month ago

    My ADD husband told me the other day that he will probably be laid off in the next few weeks and I am trying not to completely lose it.  He is 55, diagnosed about 5 years ago (though I was sure for much longer) and takes medication.  We've been married 28 years and have 3 kids and his job situation was surprisingly stable for most of that time.  He had one job for 10 years and another for 15 years--they weren't very challenging but were solid, with benefits, etc.  Five years ago he was laid off--I never really got the real reason, but he was out of work for 3+ years and it nearly killed our marriage, our family and me.  I am trying to stay calm--I have a good job and can support us, but I have one child in college and two more in high school and I'm not sure our relationship can survive this.  It was so incredibly stressful when he was out of work and now he is older, will have another "failure" to contend with and the pressure of knowing that our two younger kids will not be able to have choices in going to college because of him.  I don't think I can take going through that again.  These years of dealing with him have just sucked all the life out of me and I really don't love him enough to suffer through this again.  I hate to think that I would end this marriage because of him losing his job, but it could be the last straw.  Even since he started working about a year and a half ago, life has not been much better because trying to keep up at work takes everything out of him and now I am back to doing everything on top of working full time and making sure my kids are OK.  He is good about taking his medication, but that is all he does.  He has not followed through with counseling and though we took Melissa's course last year, he isn't interested in using anything we learned.  I have really tried to be understanding and not pressured him at all so that he can do what he needs to do at work--but apparently that may not be working either.  Sorry to go on and on, but I really don't know what to do.  Any advice will be appreciated.

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