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- ADHD or trauma, is it time to call it quits? The resentment won't leave by: Anonymous (not verified) 2 years 10 months ago
- Tired of being a puppet by: bowlofpetunias 2 years 10 months ago
While I was in the shower, my wife and teenager got into an argument because the teen was not cleaning up a huge mess that had accumulated under the couch. Our (nonbinary) teen started freaking out and yelling. Given the advice we had been given, I thought it would be betteter to let things cool down and then engage them about the mess. No, my wife wanted it solved right then and demanded that I get them to clean up the mess. While this was happening, I got the teen's meds ready. In the midst of the fight, they refused to take the meds. They said that the birth control pill prescribed for their overly long periods was causing them pain. I told them they still needed to take the three psychiatric pills, They refused because "If I do, Mom will make me take the other pill." So what does my wife do? She says that they HAVE TO TAKE ALL FOUR. Granted, I would prefer that they take all four. But it has been a year since we have been to the ER and psych hospitals, and that is largely due to the medications. Taking those medications (for anxiety, mood swings, and psychosis) were the top priority because I did not want to spend the weekend in the ER. Also, the fights would get worse, not better, if they skipped those meds. Nor would further emotional and mental deterioration help get the living room cleaned! The teen also complained that I had not done anything to defend them against their mother!
Even as I explained this to my wife, she kept undermining my authority and insisting that it had to be her way--all or nothing. After I finally got very angry, my wife finally said I could do what I wanted--even though she still disagreed. They had also rationalized that they had to take an even amount of pills (even though they have an OCD issue with the number 4). Eventually, they said they could take the three remaining pills because they took a melatonin.
I went out for a very, very, long walk. As I was leaving, I told them both why I am reluctant to get involved--neither one of them respects me and is willing to work with me to resolve the problems. BOTH of them have to have it their way or the highway. My solutions are dismissed as if I must be stupid.
Guess what happened after they calmed down? They took the birth control pill!
My wife was "sorry that it seemed like [she] was treating me like a puppet." She refused to recognize that she gives me incentives to NOT GET INVOLVED by humiliating me and undermining my authority n front of the kids. WHy bother when it will be futile and I will just get told that I am not doing it "right"--even though her way is clearly not working?
If one arm is bleeding and the other is hemorrhaging, you put a tourniquet on the hemorrhaging arm before worrying about the other arm. Without the psych meds, our teen would be hemorrhaging.
It's never "Gee, i can't solve this problem so you try my way." It's always, "My way isn't working, so you need to repeat exactly what I am doing!"
I told her, if she thinks I am so useless, why should I even be in the marriage.
- Celebrate you? Who me? by: HyperBallad 2 years 10 months ago
Does anyone else struggle to get their ADHD partner to celebrate them?
Mine has an aversion to gifts or doing anything nice for me. It's starting to ware on me after being together for so long (18 years of this!) I've really tried to adapt to his ways - but why can't he adapt to mine? I come from a family that celebrates birthdays - people have given me surprise parties in the past - I've given him parties even - I love to give gifts - to celebrate people!
I've gotten my husband some nice things over the years. But when it's his turn to celebrate me he gets stuck, frozen, confused - overwhelmed. IT IS SO ANNOYING. I've tried everything over the years - making lists - couples therapy - giving him a heads-up that a special day is coming...put his name on a gift for me. One year - he got me a STICK for my birthday. Yes. A literal STICK. A STUPID WOODEN STICK. He said it was a joke - but wow it was really hurtful. I should have left right then and there!! Instead I fussed at him about how hurtful it was and he ran to Target for something unmemorable. Can you believe that madness?
Today - I am upset because I got into a kick-ass PhD program this year - finished my first semester the other day. My husband knows how important this work is to me - I told him, he's seen the tears and sweat. It's a big step for me. I asked him to do something nice - I knew it wasn't going to happen - so I decided to celebrate myself with a bottle of wine and some cake.
When I got home - instead of making a nice dinner - my husband had heated up left-overs! It's like he's purposefully being mean to me - he purposely wants to hurt my feelings. All I could do was cry. I just cried and cried and he apologized for having bad timing - then I ended up comforting him - what? Why am I comforting him - when I am the one in need of love and support. It feels like nothing will ever change. He's been a real DUD. I know there are partners out there who celebrate people!
- Can't take responsibility for the problems she creates for herself by: bowlofpetunias 2 years 10 months ago
On Sunday, we spent the morning visiting a Holocaust museum (an event organized by the synagogue.) When that was over, my wife leaves to see a musical that one of her friends is in. While she was gone, I
- Took our son for his COVID booster
- Took our son to pick up his prescriptions
- Stopped by the liquor store to get stuff for both my wife and me, including something she specifically requested
- Packed up empty home brew bottles in the basement and moved them to the garage so I could get wine that we recently bottled off the basement floor and put it on top of the refrigerator.
- Worked on dishes
- Worked on garbage
- Worked on putting away my laundry
- Attempted to clean the guinea pig cage, but was unable to do so because we had run out of litter
For at least a week, my wife had said that we would take our son our for dinner on Sunday night in a late celebration of his birthday. I asked him about it and he said he had something at 8, so he wanted to get take out. He also suggested getting it from a specific restaurant. I want to make sure my wife was OK with spending that much, so I called her. She became flustered and said we could talk about dinner WHEN SHE GOT HOME.
Our teenager had been on me with their never ending "I am hungry and there is nothing to eat in this house." So I was feeling pressure to get dinner resolved. I also wanted to have enough time to place the order, pick it up, and eat before our son had his thing at 8.
When my wife got home, the teenager started in with her about "nothing to eat." (Extremely picky vegetarian who goes to the store with us, picks things out, and then wastes a lot of the food) Seeing this, I did not immediately press my wife about what were were doing about dinner. As time went on, however, I wanted to make sure that we could eat before 8. All I wanted was to know what my wife wanted to order so that I could place the order for everyone and then go pick it up. She blew up at me because she said that the interruptions were preventing her from getting out a play submission. Naturally, it did not occur to her that if the play submission was so important and on such a tight deadline she probably should have skipped the musical. Instead, it was my fault for daring to ask her what she wanted for dinner. The restaurant turned out being closed. Everyone else wanted sushi (including vegetarian sushi.) I hate seafood of ANY kind, RAW fish? Finally, I agreed to get a pork gyoza appitizer and vegetarian sushi. It was definitely not a meal I enjoyed.
A former colleague at work had a sign that read "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."
During our couples session last night, I asked if I should have just guessed what she wanted at the other restaurant we planned to order from. Of course not! I should ask her! That is, of course, exactly what she yelled at me about!
I used to tell her if she wanted to get theater stuff done, she would have to give up something. I meant things like television programs. It has turned out that she has made room for theater by giving up housework. The place is getting worse and worse, with an infestation of fruit flies that lasted several weeks because she forgot about an onion she had put on a shelf we don't usually look at. On Thanksgiving weekend, I wanted to get the leaves done because I don't know how much longer the town will be collecting them. She said she was going to the store for an hour or two and would help me rake when she got back. It was also OK because our teenager would help rake in exchange for pay. The teenager spent lots of time indoors or lying down in the yard. They would not bag the leaves because they said it hurt. With all of these obstacles, I finished the leaves mostly on my own in four hours. She got back just when I was finishing!
She also brow beat me about how I should talk to our son AGAIN about how he speaks to her. I had done so, and I also apologized for not finding time to do so again. Our son spends almost 24 hours a day in the attic and has little interaction with us. Despite my repeatedly apologizing, she kept browbeating me about it. Over and over. For the record, this browbeating after someone has already agreed with her is a large part of what gets the kids angry with her. The clear message is that no matter how much you give, she is going to continue punishing you. So why bother if you're going to get harped on anyway? BTW, out couples therapist told her that now that our son is an adult, it does not make sense for me to be going to him and arguing on her behalf. Yes, I should say something when I witness it (which I did!) But she is responsible for improving her relationship with our son. She also pointed out that our son must know by now that it is not OK to talk to her like that and therefore questioned why my wife thought that me saying it again would make any difference. He knows it, he just doesn't care. I also notice that their ADHD feeds into each other's anger. He knows that the best way to get her off topic is to start cursing because she will shift her focus on to arguing about the cursing rather than the original point of the argument. She then gets angrier, which makes him angrier and more defensive. So, in a clearly counterproductive manner, he responds with more of the cursing. He hardly curses at me because he knows I will just brush it off. ("Cursing at me is not going to get you anywhere.")
- Get Help! by: expatgal 2 years 10 months ago
I've been married to a man with ADD for almost 40 years. You'd think by now we'd have got it together, but it never ends. I love him, he loves me. Years ago I thought that love, empathy and awareness coupled with some outside help would conquer all but, of course, I was wrong. For one thing, there's been no outside help. He won't do it.
There was a time about twenty years ago when he read about ADD. Got a book, and read it. He was thrilled, I think because the book gave him insight and validation. For two weeks our lives changed. Even though it was twenty years ago I remember clearly. For me the stress, the confusion, the anxiety all went away. And he was happier. He was more in control. Things went his way, rather than him being beaten up by everyday events - like lateness, forgotten plans, forgotten promises. Never having time.
After two weeks or so everything went back to our normal chaos.
We've been bankrupt and homeless. He wouldn't talk about either. When I realized that our home would be foreclosed on I asked him, 'hon, what are we going to do? His response was in my face, aggressive, 'there's nothing I can do about it!!'. And he refused to even discuss it for five years, which was when I finally found a very inexpensive place that we could afford to buy. Both of us were in our sixties at that point.
Making decisions is almost impossible for him. And if I think that he's made one I'm usually wrong. Promises and commitments mean zero. By the next day, it's 'disappeared'.
I feel like he controls everything. Our finances, recreation, you name it. We live in a half-done home with holes in the walls. If I decide, dammit, I'm gonna fix this! it hurts him, his response is always 'I told you I was going to do that! And then we fight.
Most of the time we muddle through. Sometimes we're happy. But much of the time I have no idea what's going on. He can't stay on top of routine things, so he deals with them by hiding the problems that result. I intercept mail, listen in on his phone calls. Dirty, huh? But I still don't know, like the letter I just found from a law firm threatening action on an unpaid bill that was news to me. I imagine that for most couples that would be a big deal, but for us it's normal. I beg him to please tell me when we're in trouble. If I know what I'm up against I can deal with it! If I don't know, I can't. The worst thing is the constant fear of never knowing what might be lurking in the background. I know that I've become paranoid, but having said that there's almost always something going on that I don't know about. It isn't always something big, but I always fear that is!
Please, please, anyone reading this who suffers from ADD, don't be offended. I can't say that I know how hard it is to have ADD because I don't suffer with it. But I see my husband's pain, and I see how it affects his self-esteem. He's a kind, smart, loving man who often feels like a failure. He's been referred to by a relative as a 'lovable f***up'. It made me want to throw up when I heard it. How patronizing/insulting is that?
To anyone who reads this, please forgive me. There's no real question. I'm just venting. Events over the last couple of days have left me at the end of my rope, again. I cry, I scream, I don't sleep. Then I'll get it together again. Things will run smoothly for a while, then we'll be back in some unexpected crisis.
The only thing I want to say is PLEASE GET HELP. As a couple, or as an ADD patient. My husband's experience when he read that book proves that life can be better and easier. I truly believe that ADD doesn't have to be a life sentence. But for us, now, I'm so sad to finally have to accept that it IS a life sentence. At 74 I sincerely doubt that he's ever, seriously, going to recognize the extent of the problem, or desire to remedy it.
And I've given up on me, too. I can't fix it. No matter how much I read, or who I talk to, whatever I learn doesn't help. I learn what not to say, what not to do. What makes it harder for him. But in a way that almost makes it worse! Sometimes it seems like I'm actually enabling him by trying to make him feel more comfortable about the situation we're in, or by accepting it. And anyway, I no longer believe that one partner can fix anything, it has to be a mutual effort.
To anyone who reads this, thank you for listening! Today I'm a mess again; it feels good just to have beaten this post out on my laptop. Please, if nothing else, take encouragement from my ranting. It may be too late for us, but it's not too late for you! Get help, DO NOT go down the path we are always going to travel. You deserve better! And I know that it's possible. - Infidelity- how do you heal the pain? by: J1234 2 years 10 months ago
How do you heal the pain and stop the intrusive thoughts... I have the understanding of what led to the affair, forgiveness and relationship repaired, but I still can't get rid of the pain and the thoughts... I just want to get rid of the pain and stop thinking about it.
- Looking for Women to Form ADHD Support Group in Baltimore by: Sarah Head 2 years 10 months ago
Hi People--new to forum! I am looking to form an accountability group to go through an ADHD executive function workbook. Specifically--I'd love to work with women in the Baltimore area. Anyone up for it? Or does anyone know of an ADHD women support group in Baltimore that I can get hooked up with?
thanks!
Sarah
- Loser by: Luna_91 2 years 10 months ago
Lately, I'm beginning to see an abject "loser" mentality in my ADHD partner. As if all that life is, is a series of losses. And every mistake, failure, mishap in the past, is dictating his future. He is convinced he is doomed 60-70% of the days I've been with him. And I am so. exhausted. of his mentality. Where everything apparently sucks, is disappointing, is underwhelming and not good enough. It makes me feel like nothing, nothing at all, will make him happy, joyful, positive or hopeful. And if it does, it will last 30 seconds. And then disappear into thin air. How am I supposed to maintain any semblance of hope or positivity about our future, if he hardly has an ounce of such for his own future? It depresses me so much. And now, I expect that behind every interaction, every plan, every date, every thing, he is in a deep, insidious depression that will separate him from everyone else for the rest of his life. As you can see, his hopelessness is chipping away at my sense of hope. I'm starting to think that being in a long-term commitment right now is a highly risky choice to make. Seems like I am signing up for having a disability for the rest of my life.
- My ADHD partner’s mood swings and insults drain me by: sophia201 2 years 10 months ago
Tonight we were talking about politics for an hour laying in bed and from time to time he had outburst of energy he was laying down relaxed then sitting up with excitement and big eyes, we could be talking about a single topic and he ends up on a different one then zones out, I reminded him to try to lay down with me while we were talking and he did his best, after we were done talking he asked if we could do research and I felt overwhelmed, I felt extremely drained after trying to keep up through the conversation and Bringing him back to the topic every single time he railed off, I’ve had worked a 12 hour shift, it was almost 11 pm and I knew his pattern and the research wouldn’t end till 3 am with him falling asleep crashing from all the energy he just burned and me staying up feeling uneasy. I told him I didn’t want to do research, i told him I was exhausted and he said okay then when I went on to talk to him about how I felt emotionally drained and he got angry at me calling me childish, telling me I didn’t love him for him.
and we have had a serious situation in previous days when out of anger he threatened to change the locks, leave my things in the street and leave me homeless which a day later in the evening he promised he will start his medication blaming his outburst on his ADHD, and today when I brought up the patterns he told me it wasn’t fault of his ADHD, he said that he thought we were having a good time but now he knew it wasn’t having a good time and this hurt, I did have a good time I was just extremely drained and it hurts that every single time I am not allowed to express how I feel and he expects me to hear how he is feeling insulting me then when I am feeling extremely bad I ask him to please stop because I know he will regret the things he said in the morning then he accuses me of never listening to him and is not fair because he doesn’t listen to me and when he wants to express his feelings is always degrading me. He exit our room and I followed him to ask him to please listen to my feelings instead of shutting them down then he got angry, I went back to my room and he kept coming in and out the room saying hurtful things to make me feel bad. Like I mentioned we had a big issue a couple days ago and I gave him a chance because he said he’ll take medication and go to therapy but I feel hopeless and embarrassed that I am letting someone treat me so bad, who I can’t communicate my feelings with when he hurts me and then he always says I am making something out of nothing and gets angry at me and I am left feeling confused and wondering why is he angry at me I am hurting. I have tried to break up with him which makes him treat me horrible then he comes to me saying that he wants to keep trying and that everything will be better, and I believe him every time and I feel so guilty for doing so. I love him so much and I don’t know what I can do to have that man I feel in love with back. I am scared of leaving him out of fear of his insults and him leaving me homeless and destroying my things. Can anyone relate ? I feel so alone, I just wanted to tell him how I felt and he never wants to hear it, he made me feel guilty for feeling drained and that I shouldn't be.
- The reality of minds, that make life so difficult.... by: c ur self 2 years 10 months ago
After experiencing my own mind's workings...And watching my wife's mind work out it's reality, (Along with all the years of study and sharing with others in life, and here for the past nearly 8 years) I have no problem accepting the great strain that does manifest when two people try to relate and come together in a unified state...(Healthy attachments)....
Think of the things we face in trying to get there.....
1) Priorites
2) Levels of concern about any given subject
3) Nurture
4) Nature
5) Education
6) Health...(Spiritual, Mental, Emotional, Physical)
7) Work ethic
8) Responsibility levels
9) Self awareness levels
10) Conscience levels
11) Sound Financial awareness & handling ability
This list is daunting (sure I've left things out) to say the least....And sadly, many of us probably didn't consider the impact of these things on our relationships when we said "I Do"...There are ways around the list....Blame everyone else....Denial (lie to ourselves)....And then there's the selfish black heart of unconcern, that see's others as just a tool for their enjoyment, and to make their lives easy....
The reality of this list, and my desire to love God, and love my neighbor as myself, has driven me to acceptance over expectations, in the lives of my spouse and others.....I found out I couldn't have #6) 4 healthy realities, while I placed expectations on others based on my own human mind....
There's only one person who can decide if our situation can be corrected (livable) by boundaries....Or if the situation is to dangerous to stay in....And that's each of us that are in them.....
c