Hi everybody... Im new here and decided to post to get some feedback from others who REALLY understand what I am going through. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD about 3 years ago when we were actually seperated. He has been on and off medication the past two years and RARELY goes to counseling. When he is off his medication it's only because we either cant afford it or because he forgot his appt. He is taking Vyvanse 70 mg, and his new dr is having him take Zoloft also. Anyways I am so drained lately. I feel like all we do is argue! Today we argued twice because he "feels" like I am never there for HIM. I feel like all I am is there for him. I feel like EVERYTHING is about him. Am I wrong for feeling this way? I just want and need a supportive husband who will take charge and make me feel safe. I take care of the kids, bills, cleaning, our business. So yes sometimes I am drained at the end of the night and I have a bad attitude but it is because I am taking care of everything that I thought was OUR responsibility. He says I dont show him affection or act like I love him, and I feel like I dont even get a break to take a shower? He could sit on the couch ALL day while I take care of the kids and run the business from home and he doesnt even notice how much I have on my plate because he cant handle it. He tells me "Go on a ADHD website and read about it so you understand". I just dont know how much longer I can GIVE and GIVE and GIVE without getting anything! Sorry if it sounds like I am just complaining... I am so frustrated and feel so alone... Nobody I know understands our situation.
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- When do we call it ADHD, and when do we call it domestic abuse? by: fiona900 15 years 5 months ago
I am new to this forum.... but am bang in the middle of yet another crisis... so here goes.
I have been with my ADHD husband for nearly fourteen years, and all that time, despite all of the research I've done, despite the fact that I consider myself to be a very strong woman, despite the fact that I am clinically trained to a fairly high level and supposed to know about these things.... I have always managed to convince myself that it was his ADHD that made him behave so badly towards me at times....
Yes, he will sometimes hit me.... I would sometimes have bruises on my arms or head.... but not bad ones... I've never had to go to the doctor or anything about any of the physical damage he's done. But it's the emotional, psychological and financial abuse... that I now recognise as abuse... that has caused the most damage. Now that I've twigged, I've made a list as long as my arm of things that he does which are generally considered to be emotionall y or psychologically abusive... the name calling, the constant criticism, the threats, the reckless driving, keeping me awake when I'm hanging or ill, leaving nasty phone messages.... I could go on....
We are seeing a family therapist....but I just know he won't know enough about ADHD to answer this question....
How much of this is it realistic for us to try to help him to change? the impulsive spending which leaves me unable to manage our finances? the lack of help or support looking after the kids? the lack of rest because he wants to argue half the night? can any of these realistically be changed? I am really way past caring about the consequences for myself, but I have to make this right for my kids sakes.....
- Is it my husband, or the ADD? by: Elaine 15 years 5 months ago
I am so grateful to have found this website. Reading about everyone's individual experiences has been incredibly affirming. I know my post is going to be a long one but I am desperate to hear from others in the same situation and to figure out what factors are ADD related and which are just my husband.
I am 32 years old, married to a 34 year old man with ADD. He has known he has ADD for about 10 years. We have been married just under 2 years and have a beautiful 5 month old baby. He has a well paying job and I stay home with our daughter. My husband has been on meds in the past but never found the right combination and now refuses to try. He won't go to individual counseling but we are in couples counseling with a counselor who does not specialize in ADD.
Before we had our daughter, things felt relatively manageable to me in our marriage. I knew very little about ADD or how it was showing up in our relationship. We had issues which I wanted to address before having children (sex, conflict resolution, household chores, etc) but he refused to go to counseling and then I got pregnant, so plans changed. Ever since our daughter was born, we have been fighting all of the time and our relationship has been unbearable. Before I had my daughter, I had enough energy to expend on helping my husband "do" his life (I wasn't working while I was pregnant). I now realize that all of my "helping" was at the expense of my own needs and wants. Now that I have an infant, I no longer have enough energy to take care of the baby, our dog and my husband, much less me! Subsequently, the symptoms of his ADD have gotten worse as he is "acting out" from not getting enough attention or affection. This just makes me incredibly angry and resentful. Here is some background info and a description of the issues I'm dealing with:
PRE-MARRIAGE: My husband and I met in our early 20's and there was an intensity and excitement to our relationship immediately. We had incredible conversations that lasted for hours but felt like minutes. I had never had so much fun with anyone I had ever dated. However, we broke up and got back together 3 times over the next 7 years and then finally, on my 30th birthday, he called and we talked for 3 hours and I just couldn't resist that old spark and intensity. No one had ever made me feel so energized! He was living out of state at that time so we visited often and became engaged after just 2 months of being back together. We were married 9 months after he proposed. Looking back over the years of our on-again, off-again relationship, I can see now that every time we were broken up, he would shower me with attention and affection. He would tell me in very specific, seemingly introspective words about the ways he had "changed" and was ready to get back together. I felt like the most important person in his life...when we weren't together. Inevitably, we would get back together, he would shift his focus elsewhere and the problems would start. I see now that I was so quick to excuse his selfish, angry, scattered behavior because the moments when we would connect were intoxicating. I felt like a drug addict, willing to put up with all of the negative, just to have the short-lived "fix" every once in a while. I didn't know anything about ADD and the hyper-focused behavior that can occur. I was the focus until he got me and then the focus shifted elsewhere and I was left wondering why I fell for it again. I even talked to him about this issue before we got married and he swore that it wouldn't happen after getting married. I fell for it. This was before I realized that he is an expert at telling people what they want to hear, even though he most likely cannot/will not deliver.
FINANCES: This, luckily, is an area in which he excels. Money is extremely important to him, he makes a decent amount each year and he is generally okay with managing it, so we are in a good position there. My complaints in this area are that he is self-employed and does not get a regular paycheck. We do not have a budget and I have no idea how much money is coming in and when. Some days he comes home in an angry/depressed mood and complains that we have no money and he doesn't know how we are going to pay the bills this month. The very next day he may come home in a great mood because a check came in and he starts brainstorming about the things he wants to buy. Neither of us spend money easily but his attitude about it leaves me spinning. It's hard for me to know how much I can spend on groceries, baby stuff, household items, etc. when I never know if it will be a day when he feels like we have money or don't have money. If it's a day when we "don't have any money" and I have purchased something (ex: toy for the baby) he gets really mad and accuses me of not knowing the value of money because I came from a family where we didn't worry about money and my dad was always available to help me out if I needed it. What?? I try really hard to not spend extravagantly because I don't know how much money we have at any give time. I do allow myself to occasionally buy some toys for the baby or curtains for some of the empty windows in the house. Not to mention that if there is something HE wants to buy, like clothes which he doesn't need, he goes ahead and does it and I don't complain because I assume he knows that there is enough money to do so. This is a real power situation. He has all of the power in this area and I feel helpless. We have tried to do a budget but never finished. I can see our checking and savings accounts online but he has business accounts that I can't see and frankly don't understand. He invests money in the stock market and is online every day playing around with it but he never asks me if I want to invest or how much we should spend. He says it's his money and he should be able to invest it if he wants. We are also consistently a year or more behind on our taxes, which I cannot take over because they are extremely complicated.
LIES: One of the most important values to me is honesty. I rarely lie about anything and I expect others to tell the truth to me. HOW did I end up marrying a man who has no problem lying????? For example, he has always known that I did not want to marry a man who smokes cigarettes. When we got back together, he told me he had quit and I believed him. After we were married, I started to suspect that he was smoking and asked him many times if that was the case. He lied directly to my face and I believed him for a while until I stopped asking and just told him I knew he was smoking. Turns out he had never actually quit and had lied to me because he didn't want to disappoint me. I told him that lying to me disappointed me far more than the actual smoking. I told him I know how hard it is to quit and I could be understanding about that but not about the lying. Regardless of my feelings, he continues to lie about things here and there, maybe even things I don't realize, in an effort to avoid disappointing me. He lied to me about smoking pot for a while, too.
DRUGS: He smokes pot about once every week or two...more if we are in a lot of conflict. I believe he uses it to deal with the symptoms of the ADD, which get worse if he is unhappy with something in his life. He has told me before that it's the only time his mind isn't spinning with a million different thoughts at one time. I will admit that it also puts him in a good mood, which is sometimes a welcome change when we have been fighting or he has been depressed. Overall, though, I don't want him smoking pot because it's bad for his health and I don't want our daughter to think it's ok to do drugs.
DISAPPOINTMENT: I realized recently that before any holiday or special occasion, I prepare myself to be disappointed. This makes me very sad. My very first Mother's Day this year was a classic example. Prior to the day I had mentioned that it was coming up and that I was excited that it was my very first. He and I have discussed the types of things we like the other to do for us to make us feel special. He knows that I would really like him to put thought into his gifts to me, such as cooking me a meal, a cake on my birthday, a bubble bath or even a nice note with his thoughts. When we were dating, he would do those things all of the time. There were scavenger hunts, long letters explaining his feelings for me, etc. So, I know he is capable. The week before Mother's Day, I started wondering what he might do for me and I prepared myself for disappointment (based on most holidays since we've been married). That morning, he slept in, while I got up with the baby. He came downstairs and hastily wrote one sentence in a card and gave me the card with some flowers. Maybe I am ungrateful, but I was disappointed. I've come to realize that I am not with a man who plans ahead. Will I ever be able to accept that and be happy with what he does do?
The disappointment goes both ways. He says that his way of receiving love is when I take care of things for him (like his mom does for his dad). He wants me to "mother him" - make his doctor's appointments, get him up in the morning, pick up after him, take over selling the (unsellable) large-lot purchases of building materials he made on a whim, send birthday cards to his family, etc. I'm okay with helping out but he is a grown man! Can't he get himself out of bed in the morning? He is disappointed with me quite often because I will not take over the management of his life for him. And it's not just the management of it...he wants me to do it in a specific way a lot of times or else he gets upset. I know that people with ADD often have trouble doing certain things that non-ADDers may not. How do I know what he is capable of doing for himself but just doesn't want to and what he really could use some assistance with??
SEX - We have not had sex since our daughter was born 5 months ago. We already had sexual issues before I got pregnant. I felt like it wasn't me in particular he was attracted to but rather, when he wanted to have sex, I was the designated object for him to have sex with. It seemed to be all about his pleasure, not mine. I have told him multiple times what I wanted and needed. I tried to be extra generous to him in hopes that he would reciprocate with me. I created romantic situations, hoping it would help, but it didn't. He made promises to do certain things for me but didn't. His idea of initiating was to turn to me and casually say, "Wanna have sex?". No romance, very little foreplay and my pleasure was completely my responsibility. Sometimes it would be physically painful but that didn't seem to matter either. No amount of discussion changed anything. During pregnancy, I just decided to initiate when I wanted it because my desire was so strong due to the hormones. Since having my baby, I have NO desire to have sex with him. I can't even say that I want our sex life back because I was unhappy with how it was before. Why would I want to have it back?
ANGER - He is significantly larger than me (a foot taller and over 100 pounds heavier) and his anger is scary to me. I've told him this on multiple occasions but he dismisses it (and me). He will never be able to understand what it is like to be smaller and more vulnerable than someone else (very few people are bigger than him). He has never taken out his anger on my physically but I feel like he is really out of control when he is angry. Maybe that's just my interpretation because it makes me so anxious. He says I haven't really seen him angry and that I'm too sensitive. If that's the case, I hope I never see him "really angry". I never know what kind of mood he will be in when he gets home, and often find myself going to great lengths to avoid provoking a rage. He will also get annoyed with our infant if she cries and will scold her verbally. I HATE that!! She is a baby and has no other way to communicate other than crying. He says she shouldn't be crying - "there's no need for that". He feels she should be able to wait to get her needs satisfied, so that he can finish whatever he was doing, such as watching t.v., reading the paper, or sleeping. It breaks my heart every time he does this. He has told me that he feels like she has ruined everything because he/we can't do all of the things he/we used to do.
DEPRESSION - I feel like he uses depression as an attention-getting mechanism. I don't think this is a conscious thing. I think it is his psyche's way of getting his needs met. He has always been really moody but i haven't seen it as intense as since our daughter was born. He has talked about wanting to kill himself a couple of times. Then, when I dote on him and worry about him, his mood improves and everything is fine. He has talked about going to the hospital because he is so down but then when he feels better he refuses meds or counseling.
HOUSEHOLD - Since I stay at home with our daughter, I don't mind doing the household work such as cleaning and laundry. However, I have SO MUCH resentment about the fact that he usually makes my job harder instead of easier. He leaves his clothes on floor. When I cook dinner, I do the dishes and when HE cooks dinner, I do the dishes. Even when my mom was here from out of town and cooked us dinner, she did the dishes while I put the baby down and he sat on the couch watching t.v., without so much as an offer to help. He leaves things all over like change (we have a change jar), rubber bands/plastic bags from newspapers, newspapers on the floor, shoes all over, his travel coffee mug on the counter (every day!), etc. Once in a while he will help me tremendously around the house by doing things like cleaning the shower, the bathroom, vacuuming the floors, throwing in a load of laundry or doing the dishes. I truly appreciate when he does this. But, really it's the day to day picking up after him that drives me insane. If I don't do it then I'm the one who has to live with the mess all day and he will come home sometimes and say he just wants the house to be clean when he comes home.
RISK-TAKING - I don't know if this is ADD related or just the family which he grew up in. He is the biggest risk-taker I have ever met. His whole family is the same way (except his mom). Whenever we are all together, they inevitably start talking about all of the injuries they have each incurred due to reckless behaviors. They talk about it like it is a badge of honor and something to be proud of. I almost think that he can't wait until our daughter starts racking up injuries so he can "brag" about them to his family. These are not small injuries, either. He broke his back while on an ATV, going off of a huge ledge on purpose at full speed to see if he could do it. He had to be airlifted to a hospital and is lucky he is not paralyzed. He's been badly burned on his legs, broken several bones and been in a car accident where he flew through the glass of the car's back windshield and flew over 30 feet. Again, he's lucky he survived. He's been in numerous fender-benders where he has bumped into the car in front of him (no injuries). I won't even begin to talk about the injuries his siblings and dad have wracked up. Most of the time, though, the injuries are due to reckless, irresponsible behaviors and they all think it is hilarious. I'm TERRIFIED to have my daughter grow up in an environment where such dangerous choices are seen as brave and encouraged! Whenever I try to talk to him about safety, he scoffs and tells me I'm overprotective and that I overreact. When our daughter was a newborn, I didn't want my husband falling asleep on the couch with her on his chest because she could easily roll off onto our hardwood floors. I don't like it when he holds her high over his head (thus about 8 or 9 feet above the ground) with only ONE hand. He wanted to start feeding her solid foods when she was only a few weeks old, regardless of what the recommendations say. I realize I may be a bit on the overprotective side but I am also reacting to his complete lack of concern over safety issues. I fear that it will only get worse as she learns to walk and tries to climb our steep, hardwood stairs, and is playing outside, etc. He lacks the ability to empathize with others (he readily admits this), and rarely experiences physical pain when injured. He drives fast and impulsively - worse when angry. Any mention of safety is a "challenge" to him to do the opposite. He criticizes and makes fun of my suggestions related to following expert advice about a safe home, product or activity.
FAMILY - We live near my husband's family, all of whom (3 siblings and his Dad) have ADD, except his mom. Because of this, my husband gets affirmation for all of his ADD behavior. His mom enables their behaviors because she likes to feel needed. As long as they need her to cook for them, clean up after them, wake them up in the morning, she feels loved. She, herself is extremely passive/aggressive and will say one thing but expects people to react to the underlying, unspoken message. It is crazy-making. I HATE letting them baby-sit our daughter because I know they have the same risk-taking tolerance as my husband. Years ago, my husband's mom owned a daycare at their home. On one occasion, a child got into the street and was hit by a car. Another child was on the swing set and got one of the swing ropes wrapped around her neck and almost strangled herself. Neither child was seriously injured, but my husband's mom talks about it like it was no big deal. More recently, their other granddaughter was just starting to walk and they would leave the door to the basement stairs wide open (the door is in their living room). They let this same granddaughter eat gummy candy when she was first learning to eat solid foods and her mom had specifically told them what they could feed her. They were watching this same granddaughter, who had no experience with stairs and didn't realize when she had climbed all the way up the stairs and was at the top looking terrified because she didn't know how to come down. There are so many boundary issues in that family that I know that whatever I tell them I want them to do or not do with my daughter, they will go ahead and do what they want when I am not there. My husband even agrees that this is probably the case. I have seen many instances when his father does exactly the opposite of what you tell him. My husband is the same way. I am unable to have any fun when they are watching her because I don't think they are responsible, but my husband does not want to pay for daycare when his parents are so close and willing. He says, "They raised 4 kids. They know what they are doing". I don't think that they do!
I think my husband's ADD symptoms are compounded by his upbringing. His father has never been quick with a compliment and instead has focused on his childrens weaknesses. My husband brought home a report card in high school with all A's and one B. His dad pointed to the B and said, "What happened here? How come you didn't get an A?". My husband and his brother were so afraid of their dad's anger that they would go to great lengths to cover up accidents or broken items. If something was broken like a glass or if something was spilled on accident, someone had to be to blame. There were no accidents. Punishments were severe, both physical and emotional. I believe his upbringing in a controlling, angry, passive/aggressive home has severely affected the way he sees and lives life. I cannot stand his family and he is completely entrenched with them emotionally. His mom will gossip about me and his brother's wife with other family members and his dad is inappropriate with his physical boundaries with me, such as tickling my feet, neck and sides when I've told him firmly over and over not to do so. My husband says he is willing to stand up to his family for me, which I greatly appreciate but have not taken him up on yet. Next time there is an issue with them, I plan to ask him to intervene and I know he will. I feel like I am Alice in ADD-land and I am the only one who sees things clearly! He is less motivated to change because he gets affirmation for his ADD-ness from the rest of his ADD family. I also wonder how much of all this is the ADD, and what might be other problems mixed in with that.
Well, if you've made it through my post this far, I thank you for reading all of that. It feels good to put my situation into words and I hope that there are things that stick out for you about what I have written and that you will comment on them. I could use some outside perspective!
WHERE I'M AT NOW:
I have so much ambivalence about our relationship. A lot of people have posted that they really love their spouse and want to make it work. I have very little motivation to make it work and my feelings of love seem to be hidden by all of the anger and resentment. My husband thinks of himself first in all situations, will not accept suggestions from others, is "always right", and intimidates people to get his way when he can't placate them with empty promises. I want a second chance at finding a loving relationship with someone who is able to manage his life and meet me half-way. Someone who wants to make me happy instead of focusing solely on his own happiness (or lack thereof). I want someone who can plan ahead a little. Someone who makes our family a priority. A man who is capable of being gentle and nurturing with his children. Someone who cares enough about himself that he is able to form genuine, connected relationships with others instead of always putting on a front and needing to feel like he is "better" than those around him. I don't want to spend the next 5, 10 or 20 years trying to make it work and then realizing that maybe instead of a 2 out of 10 on a scale of relationship happiness, we've managed to get up to a 4 and that's as far as it's going to go. I don't want my daughter to grow up around my husband's negativity, lying, anger and demeaning treatment of me. I'm still young (early 30's) and I am constantly having to give up on my dreams about the kind of marriage/partnership I want to have. I'm not so deluded to think there is such a thing as a perfect relationship that is always easy. But, being in relationship with my husband is SO far from easy and I'm not sure it will ever change.
The biggest factor that keeps me around is our daughter. I love my daughter more than I ever thought possible, but I wish we had never gotten pregnant. I want what is best for her but I don't know what that is. I don't want to have to share custody and I don't want to continue living in the state we are living (I hate it here. I feel so alone with my problems here. We moved here when we married, across the country from my home, with the understanding that it would not be permanent.) I'm afraid if we end things I will be legally bound to continue living near him and his family so that our daughter can split her time between houses and I know he would never agree to leave here. I don't want my daughter to grow up not knowing her father but I'm terrified at the thought of letting her spend days alone with him (or his family) due to his reckless behaviors and love of risk-taking. She is so young at this point that I feel like a divorce would be less harmful to her now than if she were older. Plus, I want to have more children at some point. I wonder if I am being selfish for wanting something different and not wanting to stick it out for even a few more years. Unfortunately, my husband and his father are both attorneys and I know I would be in the fight for my life if we decided to split.
Thanks for reading and for your thoughts!! - Newbie by: Andrea 15 years 5 months ago
"Newbie"
Hi Everyone,
I stumbled on this site as I was looking for information about emotional abuse in marriages. My husband has mentioned that he thinks he could have add, but when we talk about it, he feels like he's being blamed for the problems in our marriage.
Does anyone have advice on how to support someone during the initial stages of facing the reality of having add? I don't want him to feel like he is being blamed, but after reading many of the posts on this site, I can see that all of our problems could probably be helped if we could look at these issues through the lens of add.
I have to say that tears came to my eyes as I was reading the posts, the frustration I feel is finally explained and it is actually something that can be dealt with. I honestly feel like I'm going crazy sometimes, I don't know what to deal with first, the inconsistency with regards to raising our child, the mood swings, the procrastination, the half-finished jobs....I'm feeling like a nagging wife, but we've only been married 2 years.
I'll continue reading the posts, but any advice for a newbie like me would be greatly appreciated.
- Need help! Husband in denial about ADD by: cmosher51 15 years 5 months ago
My husband and I have been married for 15 months. He is a wonderful, kind, caring man. He is just so forgetful and disorganized. I have to tell him what to do constantly. He cannot for the life of him, straighten, clean, or help around the house without guidance. I did not know all this about him when I married him. Everyone should live with a person for a little while before they marry them and then there wouldn't be this problem. He has been driving me crazy the whole time we have been married. He forgets whole conversations that we have had. He is the most disorganized person I have ever met. The house that he lived in before we were married was the dirtiest house that I had ever seen in my whole entire life and he told me before we got married that he was a neat freak and cleaned constantly. There were clothes piled and strewn everywhere, mouse poop underneath the stove, the microwave was so dirty it had to be thrown away, papers piled everywhere. It was terrible. So after 15 months of this, he calls his mom who tells him that he has always been that way and that he has ADD and she has it and his aunt has it. So of course I think "bingo, that explains it all." The next day, he says "Oh, it isn't that bad. I'm just a little forgetful." I call and get him an appointment with a counselor and he forgets his appointment and has to make another one. He does not want to take any responsibility for any of this and I would so hate to hear what he is saying to the counselor. We are going together later this week. He has irritated me so badly that I can't stand the sight of him any more. He adopted my 8-year-old daughter and she loves him so much. I just don't know what I am going to do any more. The counseor wanted him to be checked out by an MD to make sure he had no underlying medical conditions that might be causing all this and the doctor just took his blood pressure, listened to his heart and said he didn't think anything was wrong and that it was just stress causing his forgetfulness and everything. I told him he had it backwards that it was the forgetfulness that was causing the stress. So the headaches, dizziness, numbness and tingling and all that that my husband also experiences was felt to be nothing. I so need help. How can I make this better if my husband won't even admit that he has a problem? And how do I get my daughter through this if it comes to divorce? She loves him so much and wants him here everyday. Thanks in advance for any advice.
- Avoiding the ADD spouse's anger by: Elaine 15 years 5 months ago
I do not have ADD and my husband does. He has known he has ADD for over 10 years and, although he has tried meds in the past, he is not currently taking any. We are in couples counseling (our counselor does not specialize in ADD) but he refuses to go to individual counseling.
I grew up in a home where we literally NEVER fought loudly. Most of the time, issues were just pushed under the rug. My husband grew up in a family where yelling was a regular occurrence. The commonality in our households was that nothing ever got resolved in either. My husband and I have been married for just under 2 years and have a 5 month old daughter (which has added to our stress and fighting 100-fold).
I find myself doing SO much to avoid his angry outbursts!! He is a foot taller than me and over 100 pounds heavier. I have told him before that his anger scares me and his response is, "I don't know what you're talking about. You haven't even seem me get really angry." I feel like he's yelling when he raises his voice and he says he's not. He has never been physically aggressive with me but I have seen him smash a bottle on the ground in anger (years ago). He blamed my fear over that incident on me and told me I just need to love him for who he is or I could leave. When we argue, my anxiety goes through the roof and I am paralyzed from having a constructive conversation. Ironically, I am a marriage and family therapist, and have done A LOT of work on myself and my family issues. I prefer to have a calm, rational discussion about issues that arise between us. I want to figure out solutions to our issues and not just keep arguing and hurting each other. I'm completely fine if he needs to take some time to cool down before we do that. It doesn't have to happen in the heat of the moment. Somehow though, I think he thrives/needs to have that shouting battle before he can calm down. He often will yell at ME for not getting MORE outwardly upset about a situation. Sometimes I reach my breaking point and I do yell but I hate feeling so out of control and it even seems to create some sort of twisted power shift towards him when he finally provokes me enough that I will yell back. It's like he "won" or something.
One thing I can't stand about his anger is that he will be in a bad mood and sometimes get deeply depressed for the ENTIRE day from something I consider to be trivial (I realize this is just my opinion and obviously whatever it is upsets him greatly).
Some examples:
- If HE forgets where he put something, I will rush to find it for him (I have a great visual memory and usually remember where I last saw his wallet, computer, etc) because otherwise, he will get angry, raise his voice and stomp around the house. If he doesn't find what he's looking for, he just gets more and more upset and my anxiety goes way up.
- If I ask him to do something, he often takes it personally. For example, he borrowed my new, expensive digital camera to take some pictures of a job site and he wanted to take it without the case. He got angry when I wanted him to take it in the case, especially because I would have had to look around a bit to find the case and he was in a hurry. So, I conceded and simply said, "Please be careful with it". Wow, did he get upset when I said this. He raised his voice and said, "What do you think I am...an idiot?!! Do you think I don't know how to handle a camera?!!" I told him that I neither thought he was an idiot, nor did I think he couldn't handle a camera, but it was too late. He was SO angry about things he HEARD that I DID NOT say! I feel as if I'm constantly trying to stroke his fragile ego when he hears things that I DON'T say. His mom communicates in hidden messages (always saying what she doesn't mean and expecting people to "hear" and respond to her hidden message). I am an extremely straightforward person and will almost always say what I mean. I am NOT like his mom in that way at all but he is up against over 30 years of learning that nothing is communicated directly.
- If we are running late (usually because of him), I feel like I have to walk on egg shells. I try not to tell him to hurry or even appear as if I'm frustrated about being late. The tiniest little change in my mood or the "wrong" comment will set him off on an angry tirade. The worst part is that if he is driving and we are late, he is, in my opinion, a dangerous driver. I have never been a fan of his driving (he waits until the last minute to cut over 3 lanes and take our exit, speeds, etc) but when he is angry, it's truly scary. He thinks I'm overreacting and tells me he is in control and I shouldn't worry. I try to tell him that it's not just him I'm worried about but the other drivers on the road as well (as if my blaming others will somehow fool him into driving safely). If I tell him I would like to drive, he REALLY gets angry (at me) and thinks I'm calling him incompetent. Somehow, I'm the irrational and mean one for not trusting him. We were late for his sisters wedding a couple of years ago, he was driving and his brother was tagging along with us. He was driving his typically reckless way and his brother asked him to slow down. Woah! He instantly started yelling and eventually slammed on the brakes and made his brother get out of the car and was going to leave him behind with no way to get the the wedding (which was 40 or so miles away). I did my usual ego stroking and apologizing for his brother (which just makes me disgusted with myself) and my husband eventually turned around and picked up his brother again. The driving got slightly better but he was still speeding way faster than I would have liked.
I could continue to write examples but I probably don't need to. I realize that a lot of this is my issue. I know his behavior is not my issue but the way I respond to the anxiety I feel, is my issue. I think it is no conincidence that he married someone who wants to keep the peace at any cost, which allows him to continue behaving in whatever tyrannical way he choses.
- Think fiance has ADD- may cancel wedding by: lily4870 15 years 5 months ago
I'll try to make this brief but this site has been so helpful! I met a wonderful man, 50 years old (I am 40), 1.5 years ago, we got engaged about 6 months ago and the wedding is in 8 weeks. We are both divorced, have children. He is a brilliant man, skipped grades in school, a surgeon with his own practise.
I *suspect* he is ADD and I have been feeling overwhelmed about getting married. I have been a working single mom for the last 5 years, very efficent, but very busy making ends meet. (I had a short, horrible marriage to a narcissist.) I really LOVE my fiance, more than anyone I have dated before and he is fun, caring, charming, romantic (or is this just the intense stage?).
Things that make me think he is ADD: he is always late, no concept of time at all or how long it takes him to do things, says he will do something then totally forgets ever saying it, his house is the worst mess I have ever, ever seen, even the outside is an eyesore and I thought it a red flag when a neighbour mowed a portion of the front of his lawn and fiance was irate saying him and the kids had planted some plants there that were starting to sprout (yeah, but who could tell in all that overgrown mess???), Christmas tree was taken down in April but now is still shoved in the fireplace inside, he is totally disorganized, had one staff quit mostly b/c she couldn't deal with him being late all the time and patients being upset, very slow at everything he does (I don't notice the jumping from topic to topic and even his driving is slow). Although he makes a good wage he has had to pay his wife a significant amount of money over the years and is in significant debt but that doesn't stop him from wanting to go on trips, anything fun, etc. I didn't know his financial situation until a few months ago. I know he had trouble organizing and thought that I could work part time and spend time managing things at home. Knowing the financial position he is in, we will still need to both work full time if we marry. Fiance says we will both chip in, we will take turns cooking, grocery shopping, doing chores. We are doing premarital counselling and in one of our sessions I said I was feeling that I would be overwhelmed b/c of having to work full time, look after my daughter, and have to do extra things with extra people living in the house. Fiance was offended and said that it should be easier with us splitting things/chores and that he has managed just fine without me all the years so didn't know what I was talking about. If you were to see his house, you would NOT think he was managing. His 9 year old daughter will not have friends over to his house b/c of the mess. Half his table and kitchen counter is covered in 3 ft by 4 feet wide of papers and the rest of the kitchen counter is cover in dirty dishes. He was "supposed" to move into my place and rent his and this was supposed to happen by August 1st. He is at work long days but didn't have his kids AT ALL for the last bit of June and all of July- so far HALF of the stack of paper on the kitchen table has been cleaned up and THAT IS IT. I have already cleaned out my place, sold furniture to make room for his and painted some rooms in addition to what I normally need to get done in a day. Fiance says he can move in in only a few days if needed b/c he can hire a company to pack up all his stuff (yeah, right, and all the junk comes here). When I first met him he had started painting a room in his house; about a year later it was done but there was paint marks that he make all over the ceiling that he just left. He is probably the least handy, worst painter I have ever seen. (I am not that great but a million times better at painting than him!)
He "forgot" to pay someone we had do work here ($700) for 4 months after he got the bill, said it was b/c he didn't have the money but spend $3500 on a kayak in that time period b/c he felt it was too good a deal to pass up.
We were planning a medium sized wedding, fiance was looking into honeymoons when I discovered he had no money and was wanting me to pay half of everything (he makes4X more than I do). Even though we have zero money he still keeps sending me links to various vacation spots (we agreed to do immediate family only for the wedding though to keep costs down).
We needed to do pre-maritial counselling worksheets and he lost his, I gave him another copy that he was going to do on the plane in June (we've had these sheets for 6 weeks!)- he still hasn't done them.
Fiance has told me at least a dozen times that "he doesn't like to be told what to do". I don't tell him what to do and I'm not usually a nag but OMG I can see myself being overwhelmed with having to do EVERYTHING.
Fiance also told me that "he cannot guarantee he will not have an affair when we are married". We talked to our counsellor about that one b/c I was ready to end the rlsp but fiance said that in his heart he knew he never would, loves me dearly, but doesn't think that anyone can say they will never guarantee something b/c no one can 100% predict their behavior.
This man is an amazing lover, so romantic, but will really leave anything to have fun (go on trips, go to concerts, etc.). I am quite responsible and like to get work/chores done first.
Fiance has never mentioned ADD and by his comments (things will be easier for both of us when married b/c we will be sharing chores, getting mad at the neighbour for mowing the lawn when his place is an eye sore) I don't think he has ANY CLUE as to what his reality is. His mom thinks he is perfect and in her eyes, could do no wrong. (To her he is a brilliant gentleman doctor.) I need to be in court mid August with my ex husband and told fiance that I would rather have him and kids move in AFTER that b/c I would be stressed that week. He was OFFENDED and said he felt like I felt that him and his kids would be a burden instead of being a joy to have there and he would be able to support me better that week by making all the meals. (Actually, it WOULD be a burden to have them here then b/c I know nothing would get done- fiance would probably cook but everything would most likely be a mess.)
Fiance is divorced, blames his ex for a lot. It does seem that she is a liar but with other things I can emphathize with her. Fiance says she was high maintenance and complained she couldn't cope with 2 small children even though she had 2 cleaning ladies and someone to help with cooking- neither have family here, they got married after only 6 months of knowing each other and I am certain she must have been at her wit's end with his lack of motivation or ability to get ANYTHING done. Ex wife has called fiance a wimp and not a man and after reading stuff on this site I think that she probably felt like a lot of you and that although he held a steady job and earned a good wage, he was unable to contribute in any other way.
Unlike some of the other stories on here, fiance does not smoke, drink to excess, take drugs, gamble, or watch porn. He knows that I am scared about getting married this Sept, and gets very emotional and upset when the subject comes up. He is extremely sensitive and then I feel terrible about hurting his feeling like that.
Do I make a run for it even though I deeply LOVE this man? I love so many things about him that I have never found in a man before, his brillance, his love of reading, his ability to make me feel so good around him and feel so loved, beautiful, and special. Do I even tell him what I suspect? As a physician, I don't think he'll appreciate my insight somehow..... What do you think?
- Undiagnosed but HIGHLY-probable ADD husband walked out unexpectedly. How to get him to go for diagnosis & treatment? by: BreadBaker 15 years 5 months ago
Earlier this week, my husband of nearly four years left me. He's been saying for ages that he's miserable, but couldn't communicate anything in an understandable way. It was all very nebulous, and I could tell he was really suffering and really frustrated. So was I, but I knew why I was unhappy--I felt like I wasn't married to a husband.
He would joke that he probably had ADD, and his mother agreed. Neither one of them really took it seriously. But after doing research and speaking to a therapist myself, there's no doubt--he's textbook ADD, I reacted in a textbook non-ADD spouse way, and our marriage fell apart in a textbook ADD way.
Right now, I just want to get some help for him. I have no idea where he is and what he's doing. He just took off, and I'm worried that he's going to do something impulsive, or burn some major bridges, and not just with me.
How do I get this guy to go to a different therapist, get diagnosed with ADD or whatever his problem and get the proper therapy if he won't talk to me, or listen anyway?
- I fear I am being emotionally abusive and I can't stop by: Jessica C 15 years 5 months ago
Hi there,
I am posting for the first time. I have been with my husband who has ADHD (mixed type) for about 1.5 years and married for about 2 months. We have our large family wedding coming up in 2 months and he hasn't done anything for it. He was supposed to get addresses for certain guests to invite them-still hasn't happened (so none of them have gotten save the dates), he was supposed to organize the music-no follow through and he hasn't done anything regarding his groomsmen's outfits or organizing them in anyway. He gets angry saying that I have made all the decisions for this wedding, but has poor insight into the fact that he hasn't followed through on what he claimed would be his part. I had asked him to get the addresses 7 months ago and as I said before it hasn't been done. What he has gotten is the result of my standing over him while he e-mailed/called. Today I am home alone, on a day he was supposed to finish up on wedding things...he decided to stay over a friend's house last night and is now at the beach.
Overall I have gotten depressed and angry over all the wedding stuff, and I am scared that this is going to be a metaphor for our life together. Him wanting to do something, me not trusting him to do it but letting him anyway, then he not following through and me getting angry and insulting.
To make matters worse, he had been on medications for the past few years, got into medical school and did well his first year. Over the summer break he decided to stop the meds and he has started taking even longer then before to do anything (a simple e-mail to a friend who is tie dying for us for the wedding took him 1 hour to write-it was horrible). He admits that he takes longer to do things, but also feels "more like myself" now that he is off the meds. I give him feedback about my concerns and he doesn't really hear me. I am scared he is like someone who is bipolar and goes off their meds when feeling well and thinks all is well and then comes crashing down. I have invested my life in this person (moved abroad, quite my job, changed everything) because I love him and his adventurous side. Now I am scared that this will all be a mess and this wedding planning is just the beginning. I can't seem to calm within the relationship because of this.
Please, any advice or perspective on this situation will be most helpful. I can't have a good, clear, calm communication with him because I am so upset and have been for sometime. I want this relationship to work and I hate what I have become. Help!
- A wonderful book by: vcalkins 15 years 5 months ago
I found a great book. Alone in Marriage by Susie Larson. I bought it a couple of years ago just because of the title. Is there anyone married to someone with ADHD that doesn't feel alone some of the time or all of the time? She writes "My purpose isn't to improve your marriage or even change your spouse." I think every other book I've ever read was trying to do one or the other. She has a section on "Weights that Wear You Down" with chapters on anger, worry, fear, and self-pity. I found myself re-reading the chapter that corresponded with each changing feeling during the last couple of weeks. I'm now working on the section of "Weights That Refine" including chapters on disappointment, loneliness, imperfection, and waiting. I know that even after I finish this book it will stay on by bedside table. It has helped my feeling of hopelessness and I now try to turn my disappointment into a dance floor. This book is written for women but would probably help men also and even help those that do not have an ADHD spouse.