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  • A Year of Good Progress by: Spinach 4 years 11 months ago

    It's been just over a year since everything came to a head with my ADHD-husband, and we started actively working on our many issues. I'm happy to report that significant progress has been made in that time. We still have a long way to go, but both my husband's words and actions are making me feel hopeful for the first time in a long time. The basics of our story... we have been married over a decade and have a child we both adore. My husband has trouble managing alcohol, and it's had negative consequences for us over the years. He still has a beer or two occasionally, but no longer spends all his time at the bars instead of home with his family, and he no longer gets drunk and mean. As many of you have also experienced, his ADHD symptoms led us to the parent-child dynamic, which resulted in a lot of resentment and bad communication. I grew cold to him, and devastatingly he turned to someone else for affection and attention. We are in counseling, and he is no longer in contact with this girl. It will take years for the trust to return, and sometimes I don't know if I'll ever trust him again after all the lies and betrayal, but when I step back and look objectively, I see his more recent actions speaking loudly. He has changed his life around significantly, home every night for dinner, more engaged with our child, more interested in activities together, and planning for our future. Cutting out drinking has been a huge part of getting healthy and out of the fog he was living in, and we would not be here today if that was not the case. One of the most significant things is that this man who previously held everything inside, building toxic resentment, is now actively communicating with me, bringing up specific issues that cause him to be upset so we can address them together.

    Things will never be perfect. He still struggles with procrastination of important things, and can still be irritable and distracted during conversation, however I can see that he is trying. I have not forgiven him, and still feel a lot of pain and anger, but I'm working on letting it go (while keeping my eyes open of course). Can people change? I hope so, but they have to want to, and they have to be willing to do the difficult work.

    This time a year ago I thought I would have to leave our marriage. It's scary, but I'm grateful to have learned about ADHD and how it led to many of our issues that spiraled, so I can keep things in context and we can work to address them in a more productive way.

    Please wish us luck for continued improvement, and I wish for the same for all of you.

  • HELP- Communication break down with ADHD partner by: jb712 4 years 11 months ago

    I'm new to this forum - my partner and I were never married. We both have liked each other for 5 years and finally started dating seriously about 6 months ago. I have anxiety and my partner has ADHD. The first 5 months he was hyper focused on the relationship - he quickly told me he loved me and always made time for me. Then about a month ago there was a sudden shift - we barely saw each other and it seemed like he had time for everything else but me. I didn't fully understand the symptoms of ADHD, and when he shifted his focus from our relationship to his other interests I felt left out and excluded. I became very sad, our communication broke down and by the time we finally talked about it he ended the relationship. I handled the situation poorly by withdrawing affection and decreasing communication. When we finally talked about it he told me that he loved me and thought I was amazing, but he thought we were a "good" fit not the "right" fit because "things should be easy for the first year of the relationship"... he kept focusing on how neither one of us should have to "change".

    I want to rebuild our relationship, but am unsure of how to communicate with him. He has really rigid thinking ("if I"m not 100%, I'm 0% - I shouldn't be dating if I'm not 100%"). He was diagnosed with ADHD within the last year, and briefly saw a counselor - but he didn't' like the way medication made him feel and decided that he couldn't afford counseling services. So right now his ADHD is untreated and I don't think he realizes how his symptoms are affecting his relationships. How can I approach him in a way that makes him feel heard and understood while still addressing how his ADHD symptoms (and my anxiety symptoms) impacted our relationship? I'm concerned he thinks communicating differently means that we are "changing" for each other (something he views very negatively).

    Has anyone else had a similar situation? Or had to address this type of "all-or-nothing" thinking/refusal to "change" with your partner?

     

  • High functioning; still broken. by: Orbital Seattlite 4 years 11 months ago

    By way of introduction, my SO and I have been married over 20 years.  I'm the non-ADD partner, and it wasn't until one of our children was diagnosed that we started to realise SO might have ADD as well (about 10 years ago).

    Oh, the many wasted years.  We were told when we mere married that, if ever you find yourself thinking negatively about your spouse, it's best to check your own halo before attempting to straighten theirs - meaning, be absolutely certain to clarify thinking, make sure you're in a good emotional place, and not speaking hypocritically.  I took that advice to heart, and had a lot of practise starting in the very first year! I thought I was being selfish by wanting things from my SO, or for feeling hurt when we had communication difficulties, or any number of minor conflicts.  If not my own 'selfishness' I attributed this to the growing pains of getting married, which we'd also been advised on: living full time with someone exposes you to parts of them you might not have known, and provides more opportunities for animosity, requiring hard work and many adjustments.

    I felt like I was the one doing all the adjusting, but beat myself up for 'feeling selfish'.  In truth, I'd learned to subjugate my own needs as a way of avoiding conflict due to the number of things that come along with ADD (also due to poor habits learned growing up in a household with a Borderline parent, and avoiding irrational conflicts and outbursts).  It wasn't until I'd sacrificed a great deal of my own health and hit bottom that I had to admit the imbalance in our relationship was more than just me, and more than I could 'solve' on my own.

    For a while it made me frequently bitter and resentful, and so very lonely.  Then learning about ADD gave some hope: but not enough, because we weren't able to find a good therapist and SO didn't want to 'shop around' for one that would be useful for diagnosis or treatment.  And so it's been another ten years, and the cycle has largely continued.

    I've learned to separate SO's character from their behaviour.  Orlov's book has helped tremendously in generating empathy and overcoming that kind of bitterness - not to be overly dramatic, but it's about the only thing that's enabled me to keep a portion of my heart intact.  But at the same time - even though I understand SO's behaviour, and can process it without feeling bitter, it doesn't do anything for my unmet needs.  I still feel extremely lonely, never desired or desirable, and so often as though I'm challenged to justify myself and my positions instead of being understood and respected despite differences.  I'm exhausted, physically and emotionally; but very much in love.  Probably wouldn't hurt if I wasn't.

    The compounding factor in all of this, is that SO is very 'high functioning' with their ADD symptoms.  Between that and our earlier marriage advice (not that I was perfect, by any means!), it not only masked the root of the problems (perceptual and behavioural differences inherent in ADD), but also means we've avoided a lot of the worst conflicts: we don't have nagging, or a parent-child dynamic, or many of the hyper-negative criticisms and the like.  When we have conflicts they don't turn into fights or blow-ups, except for a very few situations where the ADD temper flare really shows.

    That 'high functioning' meant they were not diagnosed in childhood, and even looking back it would be hard, other than school performance, to point to their experience and say 'this was clearly ADD'.  They internalised a lot of organisation advice from their parents, and learned to make-do (or find other compensatory strategies).  It wasn't until a deeply enmeshed relationship (marriage) and compounding factors (children) overflowed those habits that things really came to a head.

    We're still in the beginning of our journey of discovery and learning.  SO is dragging their feet, for fear of yet-another-personal-failure, or being told they are inadequate or broken - a fear they've long nursed, and don't want to see confirmed (heightened rejection sensitivity) despite reassurances.  Quite the opposite of the liberating 'this isn't a personality flaw' realisation I hoped for.  I'm not nagging, but I am doing some pushing: the alternative is for situational depression to become clinical, and to emotionally 'check out'.  I see and support SO's unique and remarkable strengths, and am coming to this from a position of love, not trying to change who they are or make them non-ADD.  And no, we don't have a critical and embittered relationship of high drama and sharp conflict: but to be so long unequally yoked with my partner is emotionally unsustainable.  I cannot love them from a distance, or live a parallel life.  I am doing everything I can to learn and be supportive, but until more progress is made... how do I keep from collapsing?

    Where can the non-ADHD partner find strength and emotional fulfillment even when it feels like your heart is broken?  When you're all alone, with your best friend and greatest love within arm's reach - but out of touch?

  • Advice by: Daizy 4 years 11 months ago

    Hey everyone, first time posting in here. I am halfway through reading the adhd effect book and I am so happy to know there are solutions. My husband has Adhd and I don't we have been married for 2.5 years and together for 8. I fell in love with him because of his adhd really, he's so passionate and fearless and great storyteller he's so extreme in everything he does and I've always loved it. We knew his adhd was becoming more of a serious problem when his driving became dangerous. He was very distracted and we had many close calls, then his road rage became out of control. So he decided to get medication again (he was medicated from age 4-18). Once we got married a year later we bought a house. We bought a house that is livable but can be improved over time. Since then things have been very different. We thought it was financial stress but things have been good. We thought it was other things and we tried working on them but no matter how hard I tried it didn't change things. So far from what I have read from the book it is bang on with all our issues. My husband is more involved in video games and tv and the dog then me. I am constantly doing everything. God forbid I ask him to do something. God forbid I don't say something nicely. He has anger issues which spiral into defensiveness, he will start to say really awful things to me that are completely exaggerated and it's very difficult to talk to him. He only chooses to medicate on days when he has paperwork to do at work and when he comes home it's so nice. I've had this book for a week now and I really want him to read it. I don't want to progress the book further without him. I told him we could start adhd coaching when we are done the book and he was excited for that. My problem is he won't read the book. I've tried not nagging, just subtle hints like hey I'm going to read this art book do u want to come read with me but no. Tomorrow he has the day off for himself and I really hope he makes the effort without me saying anything and then I'll have hope. We put a pause on trying for a baby until we sort this out because I'm so tired, so so tired of constantly having someone angry at me and doing everything around the house and he's tired with me aswell (which I'm excited to learn more about the adhd effect) I feel so alone and he's so great and I really want this to work. It's like I'm living with two different people (when he's medicated and when he's not)  I just hope he reads even some of the book tomorrow or else I don't know what to do.

  • I’m exhausted by: inSearchForHope 4 years 11 months ago

    Non Wife of an ADHD husband. HSP. Me. 
    I haven't expressed anger to my husband for many years. I realized I turned it " in" and it ruined me. I was desperately trying to not let resentment grow, tried to maintain emotional connection. I stopped nagging many year ago, then I had to stop requesting too as that was treated by him same. No criticism of him whatsoever. No imput on what he's talking about as it was irritating him. Actually looks like listening to me for more than a couple of sentences if annoying for him even if I'm plain agreed with him. Do I grew silent. And now am ready to fall apart into dust. I bit prematurely but I'm there
     

  • "Floor Closet" by: bowlofpetunias 4 years 11 months ago

    This Devil Bear comic reminds me of our house.

    The link above bring's up the current comic.  The one I wanted to display was posted on November 3, 2019.  You can go to that date in the archive.

     

     

  • Big blowup, police involved--again by: bowlofpetunias 4 years 11 months ago

    First, some background.  Last spring, our diagnosed ADHD son/daughter (recently came out as transgender, but this background also covers the period before that) wanted to be emancipated and to move to another state to live with internet contacts.  I feared this was internet grooming.  He (at the time) missed a lot of school and wound up failing most of his classes for the final marking period.  He also ran away one time after arguing with my wife while I was out of town.  The police were involved in looking for him.  In September, I took him to a gaming convention.  He would not return to the hotel when the convention was done for the day.  I wound up filing a missing persons report.  He stayed with internet/gaming friends ranging from ages 19 to 26.  Later, I heard her (after coming out) tell a counselor that this was "the farthest I have ever gone" sexually.  We demanded that she pay us back the money for the trip, but she has continued to refuse to do any work around the house.  A week or so later, there was an altercation where she knocked over a chair that hit my undiagnosed ADHD wife and stormed out of the house.  Yet another missing persons report.  Then we learned that she posted suicidal ideas (including "good bye") on social media.  I took her to the ER and she was admitted to a mental health hospital for a few days.  Problems with school continued to escalate.  I had to pick her up at the police station after she left school during a class.  Lots of times not going to school at all.  The school insisted that I walk her to the entryway each morning.  She has been insisting on getting an online degree.  The school systems says this is not possible.  Everyone, including me, have pointed out that she does not have the discipline to actually complete the work on her own.  She then decided to go to a school/mental health program as an alternative--in the hopes of that leading to online school.  They told her that was not possible.

    Last night, I was working on an important volunteer project.  My computer froze and I lost everything.  It took me a long time to get the computer up again.  Just after I started over, my wife came down and said I should disconnect the iternent because our teen had lied about not having her computer and was using it past bedtime.  She followed downstairs and started yelling and cursing--including, oddly, some homophobic and misogynistic terms.  I tried to back up my wife and deescalate the situation at the same time.  My wife felt threatened and told her to "find somewhere else to sleep tomorrow night."  I tried to explain that this was a bad idea, given the history of running away and police involvement.  I said she would regret this.  Then things escalated.  She says our teen spit on her glasses.  Our teen sarcasticallly said that at least my wife had given her one day to leave.  Then she told her to get out NOW.  I was trying to wrap up the project I was working on (it was due that night) and my wife kept yelling at me.  Frequently this would include "How much am I supposed to take," which I understood to refer to my attempt to convince her that kicking her out of the house was not a good idea. 

    My wife went to pick up something at the store.  I texted out parenting coach (and included my wife) about what had happened.  She convinced my wife to call the police.  (I felt it was necessary to get my wife open to her coming back home before I called the police because it would not work if she just kicked her out again.)  Eventually, she posted something on discord about being at a friends house in another town.  The police picked her up around 12pm and one of us had to go pick her up.  Given how many times I have had to miss work because to deal with things, my wife went and picked her up.

    My wife claims she was not yelling at me.  The closest thing she would admit was that she yelled in my direction.

    This behavior--attacking me when she is mad at the kids--reminds me of the period a few years ago when I feared she had Borderline Personality Disorder and I was seriously thinking about divorce if things did not improve.

  • Non adhd wife suffocating by: inSearchForHope 4 years 11 months ago

    Being married for 12 years, 8 of those my husband is diagnosed with ADHD, he takes meds for it and said they help him focus at work. As I feel, meds had no effect on our steadily declining relationship. I only found out ADHD has an effect on marriage a couple of months ago and as I was reading ( all I could find on web) Everything clicked:( his very typical symptoms, patterns, progression. I'm devastated.  He's in complete denial about his ADHD effect. Actually he said " all past marriage problems we had are Your Fault, I was just present ". All blame is on me, he's VERY defensive- see above. I asked him to read Melissa"s article " to men who aren't convinced it matters", told him I have new hopes to help us as a couple and how important it is for me .A MONTH later ( I was careful to not push or nah I asked about his thoughts on it. And? He said he didn't read " because he did something else I asked for. Meaning I am again the one to blame:(  A few year ago I was put on highest dose of Zoloft by Psychiatrist who talked to me got like 30 min. It did not help at all. Because it's not a problem in my head!!!! Over the years I kept making adjustments to my behavior, attitude, anything I could think of. Nothing worked. I feel like an annoyance to him most of the time, because talking to me distracts him fro what he is focused on currently ( not me . My time was short first  few months:(   Gradually I  lost hope, confidence, and my voice went with it. Even the memory of his  explosive rage typical when I tried to address any issues between us sends me into panic attacks:( So I'm silent, except crying every night and sometimes more.   I have nowhere to go, but I'm vanishing here. Help!!!! 
    or say something!!! Please

  • Kind of defeats the whole purpose of calling ahead by: bowlofpetunias 4 years 11 months ago

    Last night, my wife suggested ordering out and asked me if I could pick it up.  OK.

    I looked at the menu and told her what I wanted.  The kids were still deciding, so I said I would go to the store for some things we needed and then I could pick it up.

    I called to check in to make sure she placed the order when I finished shopping.  Yes, she placed the order FOR THREE OF US.  Our teen wanted to go with me and ask questions about the food before deciding.  I pointed out that this would mean waiting another twenty minutes while our food grew cold.  Once we got to the restaurant, our teen basically ordered right off the menu without asking any questions!  Then did not eat it anyway.

    I pointed out that 1) she should have checked with me before placing a partial order, 2) she should have thought it through herself and realized our food would get cold, and 3) she is the parent and can tell our kids they have to order with everyone else or find something to eat at home.

  • Help needed - Non- ADHD Spouse by: kabee 4 years 11 months ago

    Me (22) and my husband (25) have been married since two years, I started living with him last year and then I had to come back to my own country to finish off my education. I went this year again during my summer vacations and now I am back here while my husband is living away from me. We discovered about him suffering from ADHD this january or so but I did not know then that it would have huge impact on our married life. He seems to feel everything in an exaggerated way, I feel like i have to walk on eggshells when I am saying anything infront of him or even about him.He is extremely sensitive about what I say to him infornt of others. Example,  He thought I am not giving him enough respect because I said "Hey what you doing" when he poured juice on his rice. We have had some trust issues before, he did not want me to go out with my university friends or attend any events or functions. I went out but did not tell him about it, I lied that I do not go out when I did. I also took birth control pills without letting him know because he was not understanding my opnion, I did not want to have kids while my education was still going. Anyways few months ago he found out about the pills, at first he was very calm about it but then he got extremely annoyed, he said every worst thing possible like I might be sleeping with somebody else and what not. This has not yet calmed down when he discovered about my social media account, which he had asked me to delete, through it he found out the events that I had attended without him knowing . He lost it all there, he took control of my everything and social accounts and went literally everywhere so he could get information about me. He talked to my ex-boyfriend pretending as me in order to get information out of him. After that his anger was out of control, he was extremely abusive, he labelled me as a flirt who used him, a whore, who only uses guys and flirts with him. I apologised again and again but he did not listen. He says I dont have any trust in your words. His anger was so much that he thought I even participated in sexual activities with others. Our families got involved, they tried to make him understand, he agreed and promised he will not investigate any further but the very next day it all started again. I am so tired of all of this. Even before we have had fights which got physical. Every now and then we would have arguments over stupid things. I got physical first because his demands were just too much. Now I think its his adhd thats exaggerating his responses. We have not talked since a week. His family is extremely supportive. He has been taking medication but he  does overdose sometimes or just skip it all together. I don't know what to do, i dont want to go back but I cant get divorced either. What guarantee do I have that he will be fine once I start living with him and we have kids? How do I know he will be willing to work on his adhd? His mother says once you come back and develop the trust and have kids, he will be fine. But I don't know, I am extremely confused

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