I haven't been on here in such a long time because I've been immersed in both individual and couples therapy, but I really could use some help from others in the trenches please. After 17 years of a difficult marriage my husband had an "awakening" because he realized that he had lost me. This after his emotional abuse, affairs, and his telling me he wanted a divorce countless times. Now he's a "different person" and he says he could understand my leaving the old version, but if I leave this new guy I am quitting on him and our marriage and he doesn't think he could forgive me for that. His previous doctor wanted to evaluate him for bipolar disorder, several other professionals have wondered if he is bipolar or narcissistic. Our shared psychiatrist (he was deeply concerned about my health and put me on anti-anxiety meds) has said that it doesn't matter what else he has going on besides "severe ADHD" as I really need to take care of myself and meet with a divorce attorney to find out my options. (His ADHD is severe as he rarely sees someone his age with such strong inattentiveness, impulsivity, and hyperactivity.) Our financial situation is terrifying thanks to his poor business decisions and extreme spending. We have two children (ages 11 and 13) and I've honestly told him that my fear of divorce only has to do with their well-being, our finances and the awful process of divorce, but not losing him. He is so relentless and forces me to have conversations about us which last for hours. I'm to the point that even if he has legitimately changed his personality, I don't want to be with him. I don't see how I can ever trust him to be faithful. I'm so angry at myself for staying this long and putting up with his treatment of me and our girls. He's finally stepped up as a father and I hang on to the fact that if I'd left earlier they wouldn't have a relationship with him. I'm scared to finally end it. I'm a child of divorce and of an alcoholic, it's so difficult for me to stop trying to fix it even when I'm this far gone.
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- 99.9% gone by: jennae 7 years 2 months ago
- Should I/How to tell him I think it's the ADD? by: Carma 7 years 2 months ago
I am grateful for this forum and this site. It is helping me to learn about ADD, which I was totally ignorant about until I started dating a man with ADD (he told me on the first date). We have been dating (exclusive to one another) for a few months now. We come to this relationship late in life with our own respective baggage. In sum, I have abandonment and attachment issues stemming from abuse in my childhood, and he was exposed to severe childhood trauma as well. We recognize the most wonderful attributes in the other, and became quite close very early on in the relationship. We respect the strength shown in the other as we each faced our own childhood difficulties.
We are both on medication, and I see a counselor regularly. He does not engage in counseling. Our situation is further complicated by the fact that we live over a thousand miles apart. He appears to have a good relationship with his children, but no close friends in the same city. We both have been married previously and are now divorced.
Most of the aspects of ADD mentioned on this site appear to be present at some level, but the characteristics of ADD behavior that bother me the most are his sudden and extreme anger, his continual placing of blame on me for this anger, and his unwillingness to accept any responsibility for our relationship issues, or even discuss them. In many ways he is emotionally sensitive, and expresses a desire for deep human connection, as do I. We admire each other's intellect and humanity, and enjoy our physicality. On the other hand, somehow, we seem to be uniquely capable of causing each other deep pain.
I would like to hear from both ADD men, and women with ADD partners, with their thoughts about whether or not I should continue this relationship, and in particular if I should bring up my boyfriend's ADD as a serious threat to it. My perspective is that when I try to raise subjects around our relationship, he becomes immediately angry, blaming, says or writes very hurtful things, and then distances himself from me. His volatile anger is nearly always said to be my fault, because he finds my behavior to be outrageous and says that he cannot allow himself to be treated that way by me. Something about our interaction is clearly painful or frightening to him. He fends off talking about any difficult moments, by saying that it simply isn't worth the effort.
To my memory, I have never been critical of his forgetfulness, or difficulty in managing time or tasks. I have, however, chased after him when he preferred to be alone, and mentioned that his driving habits and anger sometimes frighten me. I have also indicated that I do not like being interrupted so often, and that I feel as though he cuts me off before I have a chance to explain myself. He would probably say that I assume what he is thinking without asking him directly, and that I take too long to say anything. And I certainly can be stubborn. So far, I have not brought up his ADD at all, but after doing my research on this site and others, it is clear to me that ADD is playing a large negative role in our relationship.
At the moment, we are speaking very little to one another. What is your advice, dear forum? Should I let this relationship slip into the past or should I bring up ADD as a major issue working against us? If the latter, how do I bring it up? I am fearful that he will react angrily and dismissively. Or, do you have other suggestions to make?
I am at wits end, and open to all your thoughts and advice.
- I apologize for all the pain I have caused you. by: Hopeful Heart 7 years 2 months ago
I have been manipulated and dumped on for so long, by so many people, I don't know anymore what is sincere and what is manipulation. Is this a sincere apology.
"I apologize for all the pain that I've caused you "
To me, it feels like someone that doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions and they just want the problem to go away. I could be absolutely wrong, though.
P.S. I hope this didn't post twice. It seemed to disappear the first time I posted it.
- I am so lost... by: Anonymous (not verified) 7 years 2 months ago
Hi everyone. My name is Amanda, I'm 30 and I am having a really hard time with my ADHD husband. We've been together for 7 years and things have been pretty bad off and on. He was originally diagnosed Bi-Polar a few years ago and it wasn't until recent that his new doctor told him the she believes he had been misdiagnosed and that he actually has ADHD. He's in the beginning stages of talking to her and getting his medication, but I need help in the mean time.
I have no idea what I'm doing. I feel as if im walking on eggshells. His anger is triggered constantly and over little things that shouldn't warrant that much anger. I understand that he is ADHD and he's going through a rough time trying to control his emotions and what not, but its really starting to take a toll on me. I wake up feeling both depressed and scared for what the day has in store for me. Its kind of driving me crazy...I feel like I'm losing my mind. I love him to death and I want to be with him, but I have no idea how to handle whats happening.
He doesn't physically abuse me but he def mentally abuses me and I really don't know how much longer I can take it. I don't want to give up on him and us...I honestly have no idea what to do. I try to tiptoe around him when I sense he's not feeling good mentally, but no matter how invisible i try to make myself, he always finds something to fight with me about. I learned along time ago to just ignore him when he's having somewhat of a tantrum and it used to be easy to do, but now I'm starting to realize that i'm over it and start fighting back. I know it only makes things worse but everyone has a breaking point...and I think i'm finally reaching mine.
For example. Yesterday he woke up around 11 am. I had breakfast made, we ate everything was fine. He said he was still tired so he went back to bed. He woke up like 3 hours later and I could tell he was in a horrible mood. The first thing he tells me is that its my fault he slept so long because I fed him breakfast to early...I mean REALLY?!? He gets really mad at that point grabs his headphones and goes upstairs listening to music for a few hours. (I know he needs his space to calm down so I let him). After a few hours he comes down and makes himself a drink. He takes a swig and spits it in the sink accusing me of washing the dishes with hand soap...He swears it tastes like hand soap and is now arguing with me about it. I know for a fact that I didn't wash the dang dishes with hand soap and I defend myself. He's always has to be right no matter what! At this point he's really ticked off. He throws the drink in the sink and stomps his way upstairs yelling and screaming how he's done with everything...and everyone....It really scares me when he says things like that because im not sure what hes going to do..I don't want him to harm his self of me for that matter. He goes into the room, he's throwing stuff everywhere, punching everything in site, yelling at the top of his lungs...Its driving me crazy...He always says sorry after, but his sorry''s are really starting to mean nothing to me...I just don't know what to do. I don't want to leave him because he is a great guy when he's happy and I really don't want to abandon him when he is at his lowest...I just just need tips on how to diffuse the situation before it starts...Please help!
- Completely disconnected by: Milly 7 years 2 months ago
My SO of 18 years has just been diagnosed as ADHD. He was diagnosed because I asked for a divorce after many years of thinking about it after having discovered his online porn addiction. He says he wants to fix us but I think I'm too far gone. I'm reading the adhd effect in marriage and almost all of it is familiar but I just don't care. I would like to be supportive while he repairs his relationships with the kids but I really don't feel like there is an us to fix.
I don't nag, I don't parent I simply don't interact. Years of being living with him being reliably unreliable and his false memories have driven me over the edge. I've been disconnected for years, just trying to maintain some semblance of family. That being said I have always been the one to say I love you, and I do, but when you get nothing back it is difficult to maintain. I have overcompensated to the point where I am the slave, I can have no life despite the fact that I have a professional career - no life in that it is work, kids and then everything else. He sails in to eat, sleep and have his washing done all the while being surprised and angry that I feel lonely. To make things more complicated we live in his country not mine so leaving is even more difficult than usual.
The discovery of the porn addiction just made everything worse. Any hope was dashed right there. I am almost certain that I can never have sex with him again. I can't compete with the ever youthful ever ready no strings porn chic, nor do I want to. So I am feeling completely done.
Advice would be welcome.
Thanks
- I don't feel safe by: KittyPlatinumPink 7 years 2 months ago
I posted a thread on this forum a couple of weeks ago: The longest breakup...ever.
At that time I said he'd constructed what feels like a complex conspiracy theory. Pretty much it's the world against him with a few main players: his mother; his father; his siblings; the church; whoever bothers him, which seems to be everyone; and as I had the bad judgment to get involved with him, me. To what degree, I'm not sure, but I have to admit I saw this pattern of him making himself a victim and feared the worse when I broke up with him.
When it started, he said he'd had some memories come up. This worried me immediately because we've had many a yelling match where he's sworn up and down that I did or said something that I did not. Knowing he's got that trait, I reminded him that he has false memories, and, in the past, I've been able to disprove a few. Most I can't because it's his recollection against mine, and I acknowledge that I don't have perfect recollection and sometimes forget things too. Eventually, he started trying to weave me into his narrative, I told him firmly to not involve me into his theory. I also refuse to engage with him beyond necessary stuff: shopping (which is now off the table - he's on his own), rent, expenses, noise levels, and him consistently sleeping on the couch since I broke up with him. This means when he has a breakthrough or a bit of wisdom he wants to share with me, I don't indulge it.
I know that people with ADHD have impulse control. He keeps having outbursts and keeps trying to talk to me about this stuff. He sits around watching videos and swearing at the TV (no matter what's on - I literally cannot watch a TV show in peace anymore), yelling at me, or yelling at his mother or father by video chat. I've pointed out that this is very similar to people on the street who are having angry outbursts and babbling to themselves. Today he's saying stuff like I'm a "sheep" because I refuse to listen to him or when I engage he's "taking my energy". Actually, when I speak, I'm trying to get through to him. What he's never grasped in the 4 1/2 years we've been together is that I'm very sensitive, so his negativity really does drain me (there is something to that "taking my energy" thing, but not in the way he thinks.) With him, I've been fighting fire with fire. He says something over the top and rude: I hit him right back, which, of course, he doesn't like. I then point out that he can't say messy things and expect it not to come right back at him. I'm not here to be a pin cushion for him. Clearly, my best bet is to just not speak to him unless it's necessary. I'm trying to stick to that.
It's pretty amazing to see how he's coping or not coping. He doesn't see that 1) he's under a ton of stress and 2) he's a narcissist. I say narcissist because everything, including his parents' divorce, is about him. I'm not a psychotherapist or psychologist, so "narcissist" might not be the right term as there might a better description of what's going on.
I told him today that I'll have to take action if I feel threatened.
The bottom line is this: I feel like this narrative might progress to the point where my physical safety might be an issue. It's not now. I can't call the cops on him. There are tons of mentally unstable people on the streets. They're not going to do anything about him having conspiracy theories and being a pain in the a$$ to live with. Currently, he's not threatened me physically. He's always said stuff like wars are good for population control and with this current theory how he's going to kill people he thinks are behind it.
I'm starting to think through friends I can call and, hopefully, crash with should I feel I can't live in the same space. I've not told them yet, but I feel like I'm going to have to very soon.
We still live together. Right now, I'm starting to do research on what I need to do to legally serve him notice. The lease is in my name although, according to him, if it weren't for him I'd not have this place. Not true - I found it, brought him to the viewing, applied, got approved, and put the money down - so not sure how he had much to do with it beyond agreeing it was a good place to move into. He always talked about getting added to the lease, but he never did. Of course, in his mind now that's my fault too because I "didn't help him" get it done. I'm in a can't win situation.
Basically, any tips on deescalating and ways to make sure this doesn't continue to go sideways. At this point, I can only control myself, but I'm reaching out because maybe some of you have experienced something similar.
Thanks.
- Aspie vs. ADHD by: BigSurprise 7 years 2 months ago
Hi Friends,
It's been a while since my last post. I have been around, but had no opportunity to post due to lots of things that have been going on recently in my life. First of all, I want to thank, again, all of you who have read and responded, you've been a great support and please know you've helped me through a very difficult period in my life. Which, unfortunately, is still going on. (would put a smiley face here, but I'm not really sure it's appropriate, and yet somehow the sad face seems inadequate too)
The coaching I've been getting seems to be working wonders when it comes to achieving my goals. I know how to motivate, how to make my ADHD partner feel things are important to me are also important to her. I've been able to limit the daily struggles with tasks to what seems like a comfortable minimum. However, there still remains one unsolved issue: communication. I've been looking at it very closely recently and realized that while most of our everyday struggle seems ADHD-related, when it comes to mutual understanding, it's extremely aspie. It made me question the direction we had taken so far, as, although deceptively similar in some symptoms, it seems to be an entirely different beast.
I've been reading around about it and particularly one point seems very clear to me: there is no effective couples therapy for us. Even with a counselor who truly understands the problem, it only exacerbates things. There seems to be a lot of understanding during the session. But then, a couple of hours later, the defensive mechanisms start rolling, and once they kick in, it ends up in an excruciatingly long conversation when basically everything that had been said by the therapist or by me gets questioned, twisted, perverted and used against... well, I would say against me, but I also feel like it's against the relationship itself. Like it's depriving us of whatever common ground we may be sharing. It turns out my observations are invalid; it turns out they are valid, but only since I've programmed myself to see her in certain light; it turns out they are 100% valid, but these are all unimportant things, that, if anything, prove my obsessive nature and unbearable perfectionism. God forbid the therapist uses a sentence like "our minds have a way of playing tricks on us"; that gets immediately interpreted as "they say I'm sane and you're remembering things incorrectly". The effect? I don't feel safe to say what all the important things that I need to share with her and the therapist. If I do, I know I'll suffer 10-fold later.
I've read a few online articles regarding Asperger's and in this context, pt. 6 of the following article seems particularly true:
http://www.aspergerpartner.com/15-tips-for-nt-spouses.html
I found out it's much more helpful for me to read about case studies, situations and real-life examples than studying dry lists of clinical symptoms. Even though I've already read a bit of "serious" literature on it, I admit this particular article has been an eye-opener for me: https://goo.gl/PHKrJX
I've been thinking about how much of that relates 1:1 to what we've all shared here. I could go on and on about how well it describes my whole relationship, but there's just too much. I admit I feel overwhelmed and I feel like, instead of closing one chapter, I'm actually opening a new one, maybe even more terrifying. I'm really determined to go on, but I'm also really exhausted, and to find all common therapy seems to be actually hurting us - that's a blow that I wasn't prepared for.
But it has also made me realize how easy it was to confuse the two. There's a lot of banging on and on about comorbidity, but the distinctions are so elusive... Not sure if it's helpful in any way, but I thought I'd share it with you, even though it's been covered by other's posts so many times. I'm also eager to read your comments on that kind of communication issues.
Regardless of the glimpses of hope every now and then, it's been a true rollercoaster for me recently. And, looking backwards, a way downhill rather than up. I'm very frustrated, very tired, exhausted by both whatever-the-hell-this-is and exhausted by the ongoing attempts at struggle - therapy, talks, diagnoses, tests, forms, definitions and all of that stuff. I realize I might be on the verge of losing my mind, although I don't trust myself enough at this point to be able to tell. But I'm pretty sure I am. I can feel depression creeping in slowly but steadily, and I'm noticing some really unhealthy patterns in my own behavior. So... I'm trying to defend the only way I know how that's proven truly effective so far: by sharing with you guys.
Thanks a lot in advance for all your support.
- An Interesting take on RESPONSIBILITY by: weighted 7 years 2 months ago
My husband who has ADD, and I were speaking this last weekend and I felt like we peeled a layer back worth sharing. I was telling him that the only way I have found not to have an argument with him is when: 1) I don't speak or 2) when I don't ask him or REMIND him (because he already agreed to do it) to do anything. Here is what he said, please note I SO VERY MUCH appreciate the honesty from him (because it is rare):
Responsibility makes me feel like you are "Putting Something On Me" and that makes me feel "Attacked".
It feels like an "Attack" because I want/need him to do something even though he DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.
Feeling "Attacked" makes him feel he needs to Defend himself from what I am trying to "Put On Him" or Avoid it all together. A traditional Fight or Flight response.
The whole thing is just a "Burden" that he doesn't want.
Then we talk about what he feels are different types of responsibility and he shares his view:
1. Responsibility that someone "Picks Up". They typically want to control the situation so they "pick up" the responsibility in order to control it.
2. Responsibility that is "Given". This is responsibility the persons wants and seeks. Ex. If you do a good job at work, you receive more responsibility, a better position and more money. Reward based.
3. Responsibility that is "Placed On You". This covers all responsibility that is a burden that you don't want and someone hasn't picked up.
I feel so blessed that he was able to articulate this thought so clearly.
I believe, "We don't change TRUTH, TRUTH changes us". This is a hard truth to hear but it just confirmed what I already knew. He waits for me or anyone to PICK UP responsibility and if we don't, HE certainly WON'T. No way is he going to touch it with a 10 foot pole. He isn't that dumb as to put himself in a position to touch it because if he does he might own it and he isn't interested in owning any responsibility other than that with the reward is deemed worthy, in his opinion of his, efforts.
His goal is to not pick up or have responsibility placed on him. He is only interested in responsibility given to him at work (but not too much), just enough to keep his job and not advance. I know from reading on this forum - that is a huge something.
Does this sound like your spouse?
- What is a "chore"? by: jessme 7 years 2 months ago
My partner (ADD) and I (not ADD) are currently working our way through the couple's seminar. We actually did it live, but life got in the way about week 3 and we weren't able to keep up - so now 6 months later, we are trying it again on our own. We're getting pretty close to doing the Chore Score section, but I am really struggling with what to include here. My partner works full time - often until 8 or 9pm a night. He keeps saying he wants to come home earlier, but often can't because he over slept and didn't get in until 10am so needs to make up the time (plus just dealing with the standard ADD lack of efficiency challenges). I work part-time (I full weekday, 1-2 evenings a week and/or half a weekend day), homeschool, sit on the board of our homeschool organization (and as such coordinate a large learning co-op), am working on my dissertation, and have a couple of other small volunteer responsibilities. We have 2 teenagers, a 9 yr old and a 3 yr old (and 2 grown kids). I honestly believe that I either do all the household chores or I manage the kids doing them. I do all laundry (except for my 16 yr old, and the middle 2 put theirs away), all shopping, all food preparation unless the kids are doing it when I am not home or my partner doesn't like what I made and then he makes his own, nearly all kitchen cleaning except for unloading the dishwasher, all bill paying, all mowing and taking care of hiring out other yard work, bathrooms, general organizing and cleaning, the kids and I rotate around sweeping, moping, vacuuming, and I make sure they've taken care of the cats and done the trashes (the only 2 things in the house I pretty much never touch, but I always have to be aware of them). My partner is essentially only responsible for the "honey-do" list of household projects that are literally years behind what they would ideally be for our family (i.e. he was going to build a swing set when we moved in 3.5 yrs ago, but hasn't gotten to it and several of the kids are now pretty much too old). But it isn't because he isn't doing anything (most of the time - the late nights/difficulty getting up is an issue), it's just that he is so incredibly inefficient and resistant to strategies to change that that it will literally take him 20-50x longer to do something that it would me (side projects, indecision, etc). So for example - I've desperately needed him to organize his stuff in the basement (electronics and musical equipment) for a month now because we are hosting a class in the basement - this is a project that should have taken at most a weekend. He spent all day Sunday going through old hard-drives to catalog them leaving the rest of the huge pile of electornics in the middle of the floor. It's not that the hard drives didn't need to be cataloged, but there was no hurry - he could have put them in a box labeled "old hard drives" and come back to them during a family movie night or some such. But if we're doing a "Chore Score" does he get "credit" for those 9 hrs? That I spent dealing with kids, making 3 meals and subsequent clean-up, organizing the next homeschool year and trying to get some work done on my dissertation? Does hours spent at work count? What about hours for my research? What about homeschool related activities - and only if it is for our family specifically and directly or those that I do to help run our group (which is an important part of my children's expereince? What about when I take them to their social activities? Classes, etc? And what about the emotional and mental labor of keeping track of all of this?
Thank you! - So frustrated by: leenlo 7 years 2 months ago
have come to my wits end with my passive husband. I have been catering to his need to feel loved and understood so much that I feel like I am the man/leader in this marriage. Am I stuck? Why should I reach out and take the lead again but this time in trying to fix this marriage. I would like to separate just so that I can have some peace and sanity. I would like for him to read men who love fierce women and reach out to godly men for counseling but he is okay with things as they are and tells me that he loves me( words words words with no action) and that I am free to go if I am so miserable and that he doesn’t blame me. On the other hand he tells me to stop making him out to be the bad guy and if I want to leave then leave but I have never loved him or cared about him, etc I just don’t feel like I should be loving him and living with him in understanding and that our roles are way to reversed to the point where I feel like I can’t be a woman meaning I can’t have feelings or needs etc. I am so ready to leave but have ordered your book and will see what it says but I am not at the point to where I can take the lead on anything right now.