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  • Partner Threw Out Meds Causing Anger Issues to Save Relationship by: EllaMiranda 7 years 3 months ago

    My boyfriend has ADHD and we've been together for two years now.  Throughout that whole time he's had problems with sever anger outbursts which would turn into fights lasting hours and sometimes days.  I won't get into details but I will say his treatment towards me during these fights was mentally/emotionally abusive.  It's like he flicks a switch and suddenly he's a completely different person, screaming at me, spitting, etc. I'm sure a lot of you can relate.  Once I pointed out during a fight that he was abusive, he started to put more effort into dealing with his anger issues.

    A few months ago we had the worst fight we've ever had.  I ended up breaking up with him which only lasted a couple days.  I love him with all my heart so breaking things off was the hardest thing I've ever had to do, even if it only lasted a couple days.  After that he put so much effort into controlling his anger.  We went weeks without fighting; It was wonderful.  It felt like we had a normal happy, loving relationship.  Of course it wasn't long before he was tearing a strip off me again, and again a couple days later.  The last fight was on Sunday when I broke up with him for the second time, and once again it only lasted a few days.  When I've told him I want to end it, it's partly out of anger but also out of fear of dealing with the emotional abuse for the rest of my life.  When things are good between us they're REALLY good!  We're perfect for each other, but when things are bad... oh my god they are BAD!!!  

    He started taking Dexedrine just before we met and said he never had problems with anger before the medication.  It works wonders in every other way, except for the mood swings/anger issue side affects.  To make matters worse, about 3 months ago he started another medication, not related to ADHD, which he has to stay on for another two months.  This medication also causes mood swings/anger problems.  Out of fear of loosing me, he through out his dexadrine.  Well the last couple days have been an emotional rollercoaster for him (and me of course).  He wasn't able to get out of bed for two days, he's had a couple tantrums (luckily not directed at me this time) and he's struggling to get any work done for the business. 

    Has anyone experienced something similar with the medication or noticed your partner going through similar side affects from taking the meds and coming off them?  I don't want his life thrown upside down if he can't function without the meds but I can't go through another fight caused by his medication's side affects; I don't think I'm strong enough anymore.  Any advice, suggestions, or similar stories?

  • Rage and why bother? by: shattered expec... 7 years 3 months ago

    Hi everyone, my first post so some background.

    I've been married 12 years. Years ago my wife mentioned she had a previous ADD diagnosis. Actually at the time I found Melissa's book and read the first chapter online. Even found this website but didn't go any further. At the time my wife got mad I was researching ADD and told me "It's my issue". I didn't see how I could change her mind so I just dealt with it. 

    Fast forward to now, and she just decided to go get a current diagnosis. She's started on medication and it's only been a couple weeks so it's hard to say what the long term effect will be. She's always been a pretty high-functioning ADHD spouse, she's been able to keep jobs, she is a doting mother, but for a decade now I've been the one in charge of the finances, I'm in charge of all the household repairs and chores, I keep the cats alive, she makes messes and I pick them up, she gets to have hobbies and I do chores, on and on you've probably all heard this before. We've found a stable way to coexist, but our relationship was clearly getting worse. We got smartphones a few years ago, and she racked up points in a game until she was literally world class. Meanwhile I ask for her to talk to me about her day or ask me about mine and she can't be bothered. Sex was better a few years ago but going the wrong direction. Now it's basically non-existent.

    Her doc (not sure of the qualifications, she won't talk about it yet, ADHD shame kicking in) suggested "Hey read this book by Melissa Orlov, it's great for both spouses." I read it and I was literally shaking with rage. Before the current diagnosis I was already wondering why stay with someone who doesn't want to have sex and just makes life harder? Now I read the book her doctor suggested and it's the same one I got yelled at for reading years ago. But that's not what makes me so angry. I get the fact that I only get to control myself, not my partner. I get that I'm supposed to have empathy for how much shame an ADHD person has felt throughout their life. I get that it's normal to grieve what could have been and what opportunity was lost. I just don't care. The book reminded me of all the unfairness of a decade of needless anger, angst, and repressed feelings. I can tell I'm holding on to these feelings because I'm kind of looking for a reason to quit - the thought of decluttering, just having some time with my kids (even part time) without my wife, to start some hobbies, to have a household that doesn't spontaneously get messy no matter how hard I try... I feel screwed because I figure I can do better. 

    I'm new to this, in one way, and worn with failed attempts, in another way. My wife has legitimately tried to address her ADHD with medication, and she's got various other treatments lined up as well. Somehow the diagnosis just makes me think why bother? I can't even remember the friend I married years ago. I can see glimpses beyond my anger, but then it rises up again at some trivial issue and I'm blinded again. 

    I'm asking for advice on what to do next? I don't even know if I want to be with the person I married. She's smart, she's funny, our personalities fit like a glove at first, but sure enough the courtship went sour about 1 year in. Now I just see a person that makes my life harder. 

  • My experiences: ADHD overcoming denial by: smd1409 7 years 3 months ago

    Denial in ADHD I believe is not actually an ADHD problem. For guys, anything that looks as though they are lacking in something or are unable to control in their life, they will attempt to deny. There is even an scientific article detailing how men actually have very healthy attitudes towards improving on depression, yet are unlikely to seek help from a therapist or from others. You can imagine what potentially being listed as having ADHD ('deficient', 'disorder') will do to them. What will make them more likely to seek help is if you reword it. Rather than suggest a therapist, suggest a support group. Rather than saying seek help, say gain more control of their own life. 

    In my own life, this has helped me quite a lot. By seeing my ADHD as something to be taken advantage of, I have made a lot of progress. Rather than seeing it as something that impedes my ability to do things (although I am aware it can), I have seen it as an obvious route to making my life better. In other words, I now know exactly where to focus my attention and awareness on in order to make myself better. 

    Believe it or not, in psychology it's actually well a widely accepted view that men and women should be treated psychologically differently. Not only are there swathes of evidence for it, it is also acknowledged as a problem in psychology (i.e. therapists struggle to overcome the view that they should treat them differently). In terms of therapy, men want solutions while women want to be listened to. Though my earlier paragraph may explain why men are more likely prefer support groups more than therapists, it can also hint at how a woman with ADHD might overcome denial. For example, listening to her problems and getting her to reveal them might give them incentive to try to improve themselves more. Just something to consider for those with ADHD wives.

    Anyhow, It's this mindset of trying to be better and trying to take advantage of my ADHD which set me off on trying to improve and which might help others overcome their denial of their problems. As always, there's always a next step. We know we'll need the persistence to have to fail multiple times before finding a workable solution. As the quote attributed to Thomas Edison says, 'I have not failed. I have simply found 10,000 ways that don't work'.

  • Fears of Marriage by: shanadawn26 7 years 4 months ago

    Hello everyone... I am the non-adhd person. I am really scared about getting married! I just don't know if I have the patience for this. I hate to say it but I feel like a mother to a 36 year old kid. I have read other peoples struggles and I totally relate. He moves stuff or throws things away but doesn't believe he did it. We are the only 2 in the house! (He says "if I did that then I am sorry" I want to strangle him when he says that!!) I make a chore list because he "doesn't know what to do" so he wanted it written down... he has never looked at it. I have to every morning write on a piece of paper what 2 things I need him to do. I have to constantly tell him to do stuff that should be just normal things. It's very frustrating. He also believes he is "handling it" but he isn't. He feels he is trying but I don't see it. It almost seems like he really has no insight into himself if that makes sense. Also I feel alone most of the time. I talk to him but he can't emotionally be there. He can repeat what I said but that's just repeating...no emotional connection there, is this normal for adhd? 

    He really is a sweet guy and loves me more than anyone could. But social skills are horrible. I try to get him to read articles or books but he doesn't. It's really hard since we work different shifts so the weekends are when we really see each other. How do you guys handle this stuff? Any coping skills or techniques you could help me to learn? I would like to put the wedding off but it would kill him and I feel it's just to late to stop it (Sept 30th). I fear the "forever" part. HELP!!! 

     

    Thanks! 

  • Fears about co-parenting by: Evie_K 7 years 4 months ago

    Hi everyone. My husband has ADHD and it has taken a huge toll on our relationship, due to infidelity and aggression on top of all the other stuff. We have a baby girl who is crawling and I am terrified of leaving her in his care. I have found ADHD medication lying around on the carpet because he doesn't store them properly. He empties the contents of his pockets (nails, screws) in random locations without thinking about it. She has been hurt a number of times under his care because of him being forgetful and distracted. He tries to drink hot coffee while giving her a bath. One time he was distracted and her head would have gone underwater if I had not intervened. 

    I know I'm not supposed to parent him, and I don't want to, but I'm incredibly fearful something will happen to the baby. 

    He takes medication and goes to counselling. I don't believe he does any of the "homework" though because he's "too busy". 

    Does anyone have any advice on how to co-parent with an ADHD spouse?

  • New to all this and need suggestions by: firetuck 7 years 4 months ago

    I'm the non ADHD spouse.   We bought the ADHD Effect on Marriage book and we were both reading it.  It was very emotional for my spouse.  We both were amazed at how it seemed someone was watching us live our lives and writing a book about it!  I went on to read The Dance of Anger and found it very insightful.  My dilemna is that my spouse has not finished reading the first book and shows no signs of doing so.   Is there a way for me to ask him about it,  remind him or otherwise suggest he get back to it without him feeling threatened or judged?  I've adapted how I'm acting with him because of the books.   But now he seems to think everything is okay and he doesn't need to do anything else.   Actually, no, I'm sure it's just that he's moved on and has forgotten we were even reading it.  Help!  Pretty sure I'm going to sign us up for the live counseling in the fall but that's a LONG time from now.  I know that any change he makes has to come from him.   But what do I do if he makes no progress towards that? 

  • Resource - Married But Lonely Video and Book by: shine1 7 years 4 months ago

    Hello Community,

    I first found this resource through the show video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB1Hj2K2XZc  and then got and read the book. I am a Christian and see many of us struggling with the whole aspect of our feelings about our ADHD spouses on many aspects and levels. I want to offer this resource by Dr. David Clarke as it has helped me immensely to see God's Word on my marriage so much clearer because I believe the biggest anx many of us have is not wanting to be out of God's will--especially if one's wants/needs to leave the spouse. 

    Blessings & Best, Shine1

  • Blown away.... by: desp2017cd 7 years 4 months ago

    My husband and I have been reading a book, Created for Connection, by Dr. Sue Johnson, that is unlike the shelves of others we have read before. Dr. Johnson leads with the attachment between a child and parent, and relates the depth of this attachment (not the child/parent roles, of course), or Connection, to that which a person seeks in their spouse. Right away, Johnson validates this need for connection, backs by much research and years of treating couples on the verge of break-up, and the rest of the book involves recognizing patterns of behavior that are related to disconnection.

    Of course, I am giving a lame summary for this book, so let me share instead that my husband (who shared an article about connection which then led us to this book), who told me within our first weeks of marriage that my outward affection was inappropriate (he grew up in a home where his parents never showed affection publicly), said that connecting to me and enjoying our attachment is what he has always deeply desired. I was stunned and still feel surreal. Of course, this is not a magic book, so don't think I'm going to tell you we are floating around with rose petals and bubbles everywhere. It took a month before it clicked that I think my husband LIKES me - I have thought for years that I have irritated and frustrated him so much, and especially because of my ADHD, that his frequent distance from me is well-deserved on my part.

    Yesterday, we were discussing a recent dinner with one of our sons and a family friend who is going through life challenges, during which I felt that I had talked too much, so much that my son and husband couldn't participate, and I was embarrassed. I mentioned that he had withdrawn during the conversation, and he said he didn't recall that. What he remembered was thinking, "I am here with my son, and I am not sure what to say to our friend, but want it to be kind and helpful so that I am an example to both of them." And then, he said, that as he listened, he thought, "She is so good at this and is saying just how I feel but couldn't put into words," but how I phrased it helped him add something in a few minutes. I remember that once he spoke, he did so very well (I was trying so hard not to interrupt him or start making jokes or something stupid). I have never, ever thought that he listened and liked what I said. My husband is a wonderful person, but his face is often serious or blank, and I am not the only person who sees this. There have been times that he has "checked" me at a party or something, or during a conversation with our children, but he said he thought that was normal - I have done that with him, too, he reminded me. But I internalized these "corrections" and the detached facial expressions as being a fool in his eyes, like an ADHD clown.

    To hear that he valued me and that he wants to develop a connection with me blew me away! For 25 years we have struggled, screamed, withdrawn, and come close to leaving, gone to therapy and wondered why doesn't what we learned last?!  Today, when he kissed me good-bye and said, "I love you," I saw that he meant it. I want to trust him, though it's hard for me to believe that he wants that with me, with all my faults and ADHD and how many times I have disappointed him.

    I wanted to share...and I believe that this book works well with The ADHD Effect on Marriage, because ADHD brings a unique challenge for couples, even those who have a deep connection, I would assume. Orlov writes of Connection as well, and Created for Connection expands on that.

  • CASTLE BY THE SEA by: Drained 7 years 4 months ago

    I had taken the time to make many special foods you like for the 4th of July weekend - they were sitting in the fridge just needing to be cooked.  At 6:30p I told you I was going to go work in the garden, you did not say a word as you were focused on watching tv and on your ipad.  At 7:30pm, I went into the house just to tell you to come outside it was nice out, you said you would be out shortly.  I continued to work outside and figured you decided to stay inside as I had not seen you.  It is now 9pm and I'm wrapping up, I go to the back yard and water the plants, as it was dusk, I did not see you sitting under the pergola.  You did not say a word, as I was about to go into the house, I see you in the corner of my eye,  I ask you if you had eaten yet and you pretend to be sleeping and don't answer; again, playing your usual games.  I let you know later that night that "I would have appreciated if you had come out to see if I was hungry or thirsty".  To which you respond "why would I cook for you?!?"  APPALING as over the years I've gone above and beyond to cater to your needs.  You are upset that I would even ASK you to do something for me, to take care of me and my needs.  You go on about how you wanted to go for a walk but my attention was so focused on the yard, yet, at no time did you come out to communicate you were even interested in going for a walk.  You state that I was out in the yard for 6 hours, when in essence it was just 3 hrs - creating all the drama again.  In my heart of hearts I know even if we lived in a beautiful castle by sea, it wouldn't matter - you would make it a living hell with all the dysfunction you bring to the table.  No happiness and peace, just going from drama to drama.  It's taken me 13 years to realize how caught up I was in all of this, not even noticing your emotional abusiveness because this was the "norm" I grew up in.  We've been through 10 therapists, and from what I gather from the last therapist I spoke to, this is not just ADHD, but other dysfunction, I belive that I have just been a catalyst to allow it to go on - I'm an enabler, I rescue you from consequences.   You are just an unhappy person - misery loves company and it's my choice to  NOT continue to be taken down the black hole.  You are talking about "when you retire", getting all fired up about how "we" could buy a 5th wheel and go from state to state, even suggesting I take sabbatical time off.  REALLY?  who would want to be with someone who behaves the way you do, unmindful, abusive and angry - and in a small space to add - no thanks, I'll pass. 

  • Dealing with our own thinking & emotions.... by: c ur self 7 years 4 months ago

    What is the most difficult part (or what seems to inflict the most long term negative impact on your mindset and emotions) of your lives, when it comes to the effects on you, in seeking to live in a peaceful way w/ your spouse?? 

    For me it's (hands down) the emotional and psychological effects I experience on my person, from her denial...Denial always produces the same attributes in a mind...No ownership of actions, self-justification and blame....

    Denial completely destroys the ability to communicate and have a healthy marriage relationship....That is what acceptance and setting boundaries helps with....But, what we have w/ boundaries and denial can still be a pins and needles life style, one where we must stay at a continuous heightened awareness level (thought dominating) during times of interaction....You will always have to live mechanical w/ a victim, whose only motivation for ownership and accountability is guilt....Denial is a free ticket to live w/ out discipline or convictions....

    What about you? What most challenges you the most mentally and emotionally, when it comes to living a loving and peaceful life, along side of your spouse??

    C

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