Does anyone know if women are more willing to work with their ADHD than men? (not ALL, just a greater number) It seems like some of the wives with ADHD are more willing to work with their ADHD, than it is the men (husbands) with ADHD. (again not ALL, but maybe more) I've read that some of the wives even become more like the non-ADHD spouse in a double ADHD marriage. Is there a reason for this? or is this a possibility?
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- ADHD women vs. ADHD men by: dedelight4 10 years 7 months ago
- I don't know what is reasonable to expect anymore by: redhead1017 10 years 7 months ago
My husband, ADHD, no meds because he refuses to follow up on doctors appointments, has been unemployed most of the 22 years we have been together. Its always someone else's fault. At this point I have given up on him ever contributing, I make good money and he does a little housework. He is addicted to shopping and collecting and the entire bottom half of our house is filled with his stuff. There is no talking to him, I have tried that. I don't know what to do, I have resigned myself to the fact that he is my burden to carry.
He has the entire garage, two bedrooms, and two full-size storages. Mine and the kids' stuff is maybe a tenth of that. One of the things he has told me for the past couple of years while he's unemployed was that this was all going to be organized. Meanwhile, I work from home, using the kitchen table.
I know I'm allowing this but what do I do? Confront him? All that does is make him either scream at me or he gets all depressed and does less than he does now. So it's pointless either way.I can't help him. I've tried, but nothing I do works. And he thinks he's doing just fine.
He believes his lack of success is because other people have dragged him down. Not due to anything he has done himself. He refuses to take responsibility.The one time I was able to get him to talk to a therapist - several years ago - she asked him why he had so much stuff collected. He replied that it was worth a lot of money. She asked him why he wasn't using that to help his family (this was when we were really struggling),and his response was silence that went into a week long of him moping around the house until he finally got over it. So I'm not hopeful that he will talk to anyone with me, but i need to talk to someone, definitely.
He doesn't think there is anything wrong. He never has. He lives one day at a time, and as long as he can go shopping or play with his toys or rant at people on the Internet, it's a good day. Meanwhile I'm working hard, saving money, and doing boring stuff like finding a good medical insurance plan.
He does have a job interview tomorrow. If he gets this one, I think that will be it for me. Usually his pattern is to get fired or quit within 18 months to 2 years. If that happens again, I'm done.He was supposedly diagnosed when he was a child, but there are no records. His explanation for this was that the government injected him with a lot of different stuff and is keeping the records sealed. I kid you not. He comes up with some pretty crazy shit.
He was discharged from the military with "personality disorder"; not a dishonorable, but definitely kicked out.
A lot of this stuff, when I write it down, sounds absolutely horrifying. As in, why am I putting up with this?
I have just been in this for so long that I can't see objectively.We also have a small business that I run on the side; it's about to blow up due to some very hard work on my part, but I can't trust him to do even the simplest tasks for it. For example, we have four orders to pull and send out today; this will take him at the minimum four hours. It would take me about 45 minutes. He always has an excuse; usually he runs into someone he knows and ends up talking.
We have three kids. He's a good dad about half the time. He's a terrible dad the other half. He's said some stuff to our oldest that I can never forgive him for. I always am having to do damage control with his parenting. Our middle child is disabled and so that's extra - not bad extra, just extra.He has no means by which to support himself, and spend his days in internet forums. He does not look for work, he comes up with ideas constantly to start his own business but never follows through. He does pick up the kids from school and other small jobs like that. I have supported, encouraged, and built him up with zero results. He needs someone else to step in but nobody knows what is going on. He is very charming and gregarious, not a care in the world. If I ask him when he's going to clean out the bottom half of the house so I can have an office, he gets depressed and angry. I have been working from the kitchen table for years, with constant promises of cleaning out his stuff. That's just one example. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm just worn out.
I asked him if I could talk to him about the progress on the bottom half of the house and his two full storages. He has told me multiple times over the years that he was working on these things to get them organized, in fact, he had just told me this week that he was going to get my office cleaned out so I don't have to work on the kitchen table (which is also full of his stuff). As I expected, he flipped out, started screaming at me that I was attacking him, and something new - started hitting himself in the face. He told me that he was going to get a U-Haul and just take every single thing to the dump, or, I could make him a schedule of what I expected and he would follow it. I told him that he was an adult and I was not going to do that. He continued to scream at me; there is no simply discussing anything with him, he takes it as an instant attack, and I really just wanted to talk about it. I ended up apologizing for bringing it up simply for the sake of peace, and told him I would not bring up the stuff or his progress ever again. He seemed mollified by that and the rest of the night was going around whistling little tunes and happy.
He also cancelled all his doctor's appointments, including the psychiatrist, because he has a high deductible plan (the only one I could get him because of his multiple health issues) and doesn't want to pay for it (I would pay for it!). Yet he's spent $1300 in the last three months on his collectibles - he doesn't realize that I see what he's spending.
I really don't think I have the energy to keep trying to help him. He has a job interview today, so we'll see what happens with that. I am tired. - I'm so surprised, confused, betrayed, don't know where to go anynore by: 2manyfeet 10 years 7 months ago
I am so glad I found this forum to express my portion of this horrible friend I have carried all my life called ADHD. It turned out that it was thru some school issues about my youngest child that I was suggested by her psychiatrist to get tested for ADHD. My child has some of the signs of ADHD but does not meet all the criteria. So I went to a psychologist and got a huge long psychometric battery of tests that dug out things of my entire life since I was a child. The study measure many things from attention, decision making, intelligence, character, etc etc etc. Then I met with a psychiatrist and turn out that I do meet the criteria for ADHD hyperactive and impulsive type. Also showed me that I have an IQ of 119-look this number online and yeah I was surprised too-.
This ADHD I discovered last summer 2013 and I have been in Vyvanse 20mg in am and Adderall 10 in pm. It has helped me to focus tremendously in my job-in the office clerical stuff- to do it faster and more organized, it has calmed the hyperactivity to the point I don't react to my my wife's provocative conversations with an aggressive bold response as I used to. When I say provocative I mean threatening, offensive, inviting, violent, humiliating, character killing, dogging down, you imagine the rest. At this point our marriage is completely destroyed. We are part of the new American trend family that stay married for the kids, live together in the same house, have sex sometimes, share the house and the kids chores, but are emotionally separated/divorced. We are not dating anyone but we are trying to stay together for the kids. She blamed it all on me and has expressed clearly that she is disappointed to marry a man crazy in the head, and that she don't want to deal with that kind of disease. If I would have had a brain tumor or high blood pressure she would have understood and deal with that.
I don't blame her because, yes she is right on many areas, where I have delayed or forgotten to do things like painting a room, fix up the grass, wash the cars, finish paperwork, wait to the last minute to meet deadlines. I would attribute these to ADHD but my schedule is pretty tight to have space for other things. This is why I am so glad I found this place to post this portion of my life to see if anyone else have a different opinion or suggestions how to do thing different, things that may have help you or someone else.
I come form a very poor family where my father is a schizophrenic, stop working when I was 10 years old, decided to hop on welfare forever not caring a damn thing about me and my siblings. My mother was laid off her job around the same time and never went back to work. I have been working in different jobs since 12 yrs. I stared washing trucks and cars, to renting videos, to an autoparts warehouse, tv production studios, DJ, may others-all legal.... I had the chance to do all illegal things because of the environment I grew up in but I decided that there must be something better. In the mean time my grades at school were 4.0 As. I went to college, went to graduate school, have extra years of training and lets say I'm board certified. I met my wife in the senior year of high school and we have been together since. We went to college and graduate school together. She became my best and only friend. She was raised by a hating mother that never cared for her in any way other than the bare basic necessities of life. I grew up in a poor neighborhood and she grew up in the middle class subdivision. So over the years she has always seen me as less than a person, less than her socially because I "come from the garbage of society-poor welfare government supported people". She grew up in a "jail like home" where she was not allowed to go out or hang out with friends, go shopping, go to the mall, call anyone, play with anyone, even her clothe was given to her because her mom never took her to a store to buy her anything. So she has always been very possessive of me; where she raise hell if I want to go somewhere with people I know because I don't have or I'm not allowed to have any friends-according to her nobody wants to be with an ADHD guy because at some point I will embarrass myself her and the kids because I have a very happy personality, in the other hand I have always supported her to go out with friends and I don't make any fuzz about it.
So since last summer she has the upper hand over me; and everything I do or happen it is blamed it on my ADHD. How do I understand living like this with someone that keeps calling me names, make fun of my bald head, my ears, that I'm short with a belly, that I'm fat at 156 lbs. Growing up on a poor environment trained me to sustain blows from social rejection, take hard bullying words from others, etc that what ever she says to me it really don't bother me anymore. I've learned in this site about why the wife has become nagging all the time. She complains that I don't do enough around the kids or the house...... Right now its about 1 am in any of my typical days. My day starts at 6:30 am, I wake up the kids, fix up their breakfast, fix up their lunches, get them ready for school, drive them to school, stop for a coffee and a marble cake if I'm lucky, drive 32 miles to work, start working at 8:15 straight non stop till about 12:15. No time for lunch-maybe a snack if Im lucky. Then travel 23 miles to another office of the same company to start working again at 1:00 pm till 3 pm, then rush to drive another 4 miles to get the kids at school some days. Then take them somewhere where ever they have an extra after school activity. Go home and help out with their homework some days, cook dinner some days, do the ironing some days, help with the kitchen and with the kids clean out the kitchen. Then, maybe shower on time to go back to the office to work on papers at night and that's what I'm supposed to do here now til 2-3 am. Then, go back to the house and sleep somewhere, sometimes in the car if it is fresh outside; in the floor carpet, the couch, the closet floor, the family room, anywhere but in the bed because my "breathing don't let her sleep and I snore". On the weekends I do the toilets, showers, laundry, etc but the windows. I don't mind because it keeps me busy. For years I carried a big nose due to deviated septum so last year I had the nose hump removed and the nostrils opened, now I have a turbo nose that sound the moving air and I can breath very well. Since we work together in the same company and she is the boss that is enough for her not to help in the house. I have always been supportive of her ideas and projects. At this point I realized we had everything to be happy as a couple and as a family but "my ADHD" has ruined it all. We don't have any kind of extended family relationship or help so we do it all me or her. She can go to the Spa and spent any amount, but I have to give a half hour explanation why I want to go to the gun range for target shooting at $10.00 per hour. All because she don't have it and "I have ADHD and I'm crazy in the head".
It has come to the point that I prefer to avoid been with her, close to her, around her, so she don't get upset, because at some point something will happen that will ignite her mouth and here comes again and her assassinating words "its my ADHD that causes the problem" and she is tired of dealing with someone like me, that she deserves better not some "crazy in the head ADHD husband", "this ADHD is a shame to the kids because the huge problem I bring to the family". I'm not good enough to meet the other parents at school................It is way so much more than this..... I'm tired and very much confused, I don't know where to go anymore for help. According to her "the psychiatrist-ordered therapies are a waste of time and her money because I will never change to anything good".
I am not perfect, not a dime, but I had enough of this ADHD guy and all I'm looking here is for suggestions, opinions, recommendations, ideas, whatever you want to call it. I recognize that the undiagnosed untreated ADHD has caused me a lot of pain tears grief difficulty humiliations in my life since I remember. To the point that it has affected the lives of others especially my wife. The plan now is to fix up the house to put it for sale ASAP, so we can break this marriage and move forward so she can "find someone else that cares for her, be a man to her, is tall, slender, with hair, not a wrinkle anywhere, healthy and without defects". So I told her good luck with that...
Thank you for putting up with me and for reading this clip of my life.
- Where do I find Non-ADHD Spouse Support groups? by: mrsg13 10 years 7 months ago
I'm the Non-ADHD spouse. My Husband (33 years old) of 2 1/2 years was recently diagnosed with ADHD. We have been together for a total of 4 years, but it feels like a lot longer. My health hasn't been good. I have been experiencing migraines on a daily basis (due to being stressed), I have severe depression, I regularly think about suicide, and I have really bad anxiety attacks quite frequently. I really don't want to go on medication since I don't want to deal with any negative side-effects. My Husband started taking 2 daily doses of Adderall (10 mg each) about 3 weeks ago. While I have seen some improvement in him, it hasn't been enough to positively influence our relationship. We were seeing a counselor together (who specializes in ADHD and has ADHD herself), but that only made my anxiety and depression worse since I felt like she was blaming me for all of our problems. I am seriously thinking of leaving my Husband (at least temporarily) so I can take care of myself. I'm just afraid that I'll end up totally alone. My biggest problem is I don't have any close friends or any support at all. I have isolated myself from everyone so much and I never socialize anymore. I don't feel important or like I matter at all to anyone.
My Husband has been going to a monthly ADHD support group, but I can't seem to find any support groups for non-ADHD spouses. We live in the Pittsburgh, PA area. Does anyone know where I can find some support?
Thanks!
- Hyperfocus on your spouse, am I the only one ? by: shitstorm 10 years 7 months ago
I haven't seen a post about the ADHD'R having issues with the spouse being the main focus. I came from a majorly diss functional family, so very young (4/5) I chose to build a replacement family later in life that would correct all the wrongs I was dealing with. Well between emotional immaturity, bad planning skills, and a very wicked case of ADHD being unregulated I lived my life. Typical low self esteem and anxiety kept me from dating, but one day I met my wife and it was on. Time to live my dream, my dream built by 4/5 year old architect. Well I felt all euphoric when we met and went into hyperfocus on her. 20 years later she is screaming for mercy because it's more intense today than ever.
has anyone felt with this from the ADHD'R side, and what have you been able to do ?
Sorry about spelling & grammar, sending from my iPhone.
- Lessons Learned Box "Had I known........ I would have....." by: jennalemon 10 years 7 months ago
What have we learned after decades of being married to someone who is not coping and addressing or even accepting ADD / not trying at all to work and commit and be a partner?
Had I known how it would turn out.....Had I known what I know now....Had I known it would never change from the early struggling days......I would have:
• I would have left the first time I caught him with another woman.
• I would have locked the house doors the first time he stayed out til 4 in the morning drinking. Then taken the kids to Mom's house....letting the entire family (his included) know how things were really going at our house - getting it out in the open rather than "taking it and stuffing it and keeping it secret thinking that I could handle it all quietly" all these years.
• I would be able to recognize when he was "getting his way" at the expense of my self respect, at the expense of our relationship, at the expense of my sense of security, at the expense of our family unity. And I would have gone to counseling over this issue until I could feel I and my children were secure with him. If it could not be remedied, I would have left.
• I would not believe suspicious lies trying to give him the benefit of the doubt so many times. I would address EVERY infraction until I was satisfied. I would be MORE verbal and less accepting - because with untreated/unaccepted ADD, making yourself accept unacceptable behavior is sacrificing your SELF. I would have been more verbal and less compromising, knowing what it takes to be happy and secure and responsible myself. Letting his name calling and manipulations fall on deaf ears but keeping my integrity.
• I would not bow to his manliness as in ("promise to obey" - yes this WAS in my wedding vows per our minister at the time. ... as in "support his ego by being soft and sweet, letting the little things go and not fight" rather than being strong and sane.) Because blindly trusting the memory and perspective and authority and your unplanned/unspoken future life with an untreated/unaccepted ADDer is insanity. So, I would have taken on the job as dictator rather than humble servant and let the name-calling fall on deaf ears.
- Trying something new by: crossingfingers... 10 years 7 months ago
I am trying a new way of dealing with my significant other's funk/drama/blaming me for his negative feelings. He is depressed because he is having a lot of trouble getting a job. Yesterday was our anniversary and he sat home (we don't live together) and moped because he got a job rejection. I am sad for him, and supportive, and didn't give him a hard time. Since he feels bad about himself, he is blaming our relationship, the people who aren't hiring him, etc. for his unhappiness. He has untreated ADD symptoms and is not seeking help. Every time his self-esteem gets this low, everything in his life seems dark. He blows up, hurts my feelings and then acts like he has to consider how he feels about our relationship while I sit and wait. He doesn't admit it, but he wants me to keep chasing after him. When I do, he uses it as an opportunity to create conflict, perhaps because it is stimulating to him or he has no other outlet.
So this is what I am doing: I state that I care about him and then I just let things be. He can't handle anyone else's feelings right now, and I am okay with that because for once I don't feel like I need his validation. He tries to pull me into fights or to get me to spill my feelings to him by saying emotionally-instigating things, and I'm not feeding into it this time. I am not letting him in on my feelings until he respects them. Why should I keep opening up to someone who isn't reciprocating or cooperating? I am just going to try to be happy and be myself, and his attempts at provoking me can stand on their own. If he wants to start being nice then he can come to the table on his own.
He tries to have control and make things about him by undermining our emotional trust by throwing the whole relationship onto shaky ground, which usually causes me to want to talk things out, and then he pulls away more or is more obscure about his feelings. Not this time! It is not my turn to do more than my part again. I am not going to do the heavy lifting anymore for someone who doesn't respect me or my feelings and wants to blame his misery on someone else. I have apologized for my part in our arguments and he has not apologized for his. I have tried to cheer him up and he has not tried to care for my feelings. Usually he expresses that he is upset with "us" by not talking to me. Now I'm not initiating contact for once and he is. I don't know if this is a solution for the relationship, but it is a solution for me right now. I am tired of him dragging me down. I am not someone who likes drama. I will not be dragged onto this rollercoaster and then told that I'm operating it.
Has anyone else tried this? How has it worked/not worked for you?
- Frustrated with his lack of ambition (among other things) by: Light 10 years 7 months ago
I could make this out to be a really long post, but to get to the crux of the matter I feel like my husband, deep down (or not so deep down), really does not want to work. He has a very low-paying job at a hotel right now, which I think he has managed to stick with for the last 4 years because his boss is, in a very dysfunctional way, his "friend." The job is also lower stress than a lot of other jobs, and hubby gets to bring his Nintendo DS to work to play with most days. He still complains how much he hates the job, however, and the customers, and his boss, and so on. He hates everything about it and often says something to the effect that he can't handle this anymore and doesn't want to be there. I have made comment that he cannot leave without having another job lined up, and I have openly remarked that I feel like he is just trying to "run away" and that he does not really want to work at all. He has not disputed this claim. In fact, in the past he has openly admitted he has never wanted to work.
Everything is always somebody else's fault, not his. For example, a co-worker once called him to complain that he did not count down the drawer at the end of his shift. Instead of having any shame about it, he got angry about "who is she to complain to [him]? She's not my boss!" making this all about her "transgression," while completely ignoring his own. I feel like his goal is to get fired while at the same time appearing to be a victim of circumstance, thereby receiving pity and care from those around him.
Hubby has had a very spotty work history before this job, with a long line of fairly short-lived, relatively easygoing, and invariably low-paying gigs, so this lousy job is still probably the best job he's ever had. That being said, his poor attitude, the low income from the job, and his lousy work schedule (coupled with a prohibition on requesting time off) makes this a very flimsy and undesirable situation. I think if he were to be fired from this job he would consider it a relief, or even a favor. I don't feel like he wants to get another job, or put in the work of refining his resume, job searching, interviewing, all of that. I think his dream is to be unemployed and at home with his video games. He has an absurdly low stress tolerance, and an extreme fixation on living in a fantasy world where success is assured. We have dreams (that we supposedly share) of travelling the world, and while I have put in the time and effort to get into a job with the hours and pay to allow for this dream to be realized, he mostly just impedes us. I feel like video games are his opiate; we can talk about things he ought to do, things he should read, he makes promises, he receives advice from his counselor, but nothing ever gets done because he does not want to think about anything potentially uncomfortable. Every moment is filled with video games, if he can help it. He'll say he is going to do something and a second later he is back in front of the games!
Something hubby enjoys doing is making video game banners (gratis) for people on video game forums. Someone recently approached him about designing a graphic for their video game website, and offered about $100-$150 for him to do it, and also said they would promote his work on the site. Golden opportunity, right? Nope - he hasn't worked on this commission at all, because suddenly the creative inspiration has left him. He definitely doesn't like it when things get too "real."
He's been in counseling for years, but nothing seems to improve. We are trying to take a very targeted approach to addressing his ADD problems now that our insurance situation has improved, but the sessions are too far apart, the psychiatrist is an idiot, and we just started with a psychologist who seems promising, but change comes too slow, and I don't know if this underlying lack of motivation is something that can even be changed. Does anyone have any experience with this? Is an underlying lack of motivation to work something that can be changed through counseling, or is this just how he will be the rest of his life?
- Are there any new/recomended medications for ADD? by: Melita 10 years 7 months ago
Hi,
I am the wife of my ADD Husband. We live in New Zealand and therefore why I am asking for advice on what medications have been found that may work better than Ritalin. My husband has not taken anything since us shifting to a rural town, but he is now keen to get back on track. I have read a bit about Wellbutrin, is this a common medication? Any advice would be greatly appreciated :-) Thank you, Melita
- It's 'the relationship thing' that I miss the most by: I'm So Exhausted 10 years 7 months ago
In our last angry discussion, my spouse growled at me, "What do you ever do for me?" I said, "I do your laundry. . . .", and he cut me off before the whole word 'laundry' got off my lips and said, "I don't need you to do my laundry. I can do my own laundry."
So, I have not done any of his laundry since. He has no clean undershirts. No clean socks. No clean work pants or work shirts. One lone pair of clean underwear. Yesterday he asked if I knew where his old uniform pants were, because he couldn't find them and said, "I don't want to wear my good jeans to work." And today the whole thing is churning around in my heart and mind and soul. I do not want to go back to being the "parent". I NOW feel like this is some sort of stupid mind game - and maybe it is. Maybe I have played it wrong up until now. Maybe I am being immature.
What I want - is validation from him regarding having clean laundry without having to think twice.
What I want - is validation for my own choice in loving the 'housewife' role.
What I want - is a way to have a conversation where my thoughts and ideals are validated.
What I want - is when conflict arises, not needing to walk away from his controlling anger.
What I want - is him to not be who he is. Yep. I sure do. I am tired of holding his stuff/junk/hoarding at bay. Trying to keep it all contained so it does not overrun our whole yard. His stuff/junk/hoarding, just like his fear/loneliness/frustration that looks a lot like anger, is oozing out all over the place and cannot be contained. I just have to back away.
"We teach people how to treat us." I only want to look at my part. What I did. What I didn't do. My anger tells me, "Just kick his sorry butt to the curb." But my heart tells me, "You need to find a way to go your own way without blaming him."
Does he really want to be alone in the barn with his stuff?
He says he does.
I have built my side of our relationship for the past 31 years. I have focused on the past three years on editing what I see "I" need to change. What I choose to do. How I respond. What I tolerate.
And I am darn bitter that what I thought would happen, has not. Oh no, it is not that "Once I started to do things differently, things would get better." Our life has worked its way to such a fevered pitch, that I am thoroughly disappointed in each failure I make in doing life better - as far as my marriage is concerned.
Maybe what I hoped and dreamed and though could be possible is in actuality just impossible.
I read that "You cannot get blood from a turpnip." That is because a turnip has no blood to give. So I work on trying to not expect something that is impossible to get.