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  • I am ashamed of my anger by: jennalemon 12 years 6 months ago

    I am ashamed of my anger and hate and resentment. I accept that I have been working too hard at this relationship - so much that the relationship is a burden to him and to me. I have become Pavlov's dog conditioned to expect disappointment and heartache.  My ADD husband has been the manipulator who unknowingly? has been giving me the painful constantly surprising electric shocks of forgetting me/ignoring me/empty promises/empty words of love/flirting with others/staying distant when I need him. At first the little shocks were surprising and upsetting but with years and years the little painful schocks have become expected and tolerated to the point where I would let them kill me because I am now so accustomed to the pain.  When I would dare to trust/be open/expect anything/communicate honestly/trust/trust/trust again, I would be rewarded with the little shocks of disappointment/denials/argument/crazy-making turn-arounds.  My expectation of pain and disappointment has now extended itself to other parts of my life.  I know if I had married someone who could have shared life WITH me, nurture the side of me that wants to love and trust and give to each other, I would not be carrying this regret and emptiness around with me. It's been 35 years.  So, I will recognize and accept that in my life I felt I needed someone to walk this journey with to be happy. I thought I needed a dad to complete the mom and dad part in the family.  I thought I needed a lover/husband/soulmate.  I worked for that trying to extract that from this man who made me love him with his romantic ways and focus on me at the beginning.  But the fact is, I can't have that with this man. He can only take care of himself and protect himself.  I must "manage" him and have boundaries with him to live in a sane world.  This does not describe a happy world to me.  This does not even seem to be truthful and open way to exist in life or a marriage.  But to survive this marriage, it must be my choice to be "the manager/manipulator" or go out into the world alone.  Someone this week said it and it rings true for me too..... "I was stupid to stay in this marriage."  I would bet even my husband does not respect me for staying and putting up with him.

    So, what can I do?  I KNOW that I have lost my self.  I don't know what I want at this old age. I had been a willing servant to family - something I was happy to do while the children were young - I was "taking it on the chin" for the sake of family (that was stupid.  I wish I had been stronger and stood up for myself and the kids more).  But now, I am crazy with rage and regret inside and my husband said, "What did you EVER do for me?" I thought he would love me for the sacrifices I made but he didn't even notice and remembers that he did all the work and sacrifice in his mind and I just complained and was not happy.  I feel stripped of the history I thought I was making.  What can I do?  I can be the person I want to be now.  Not worry what people think. Not worry what he thinks - especially him because he doesn't remember to hold a grudge or even to have feelings about anything I do - he doesn't notice.  I am not important to his world as long as I am taking care of everything.  I can walk out the door and get an apartment, join a book club, go to exercise class, help others, take a painting class, run a marathon, make new friends, do yoga. I would rather cuddle and travel with someone I trust - but I can't have that anymore than a widow can.  So I will be independent and work to get my integrity back.  I will make getting my confidence and strength back for my self - not for him.  I will become beautiful for my self.  I will become calm and cheerful and plan excursions and happenings for people who appreciate it and appreciate me.  

    I don't know if I can do those things while being married to ADD guy.  Something crazy goes on that sabotages my efforts at being independently happy. Something inside of me yearns for coupledom, comfort and familiarity and I fear failure and shame and bag-lady-itis.  This is where I must be strong and focused myself about what I want and what really is.  I will start to value integrity over comfort.  I don't FEEL like doing that...I am tired.  But I MUST to have any self respect and peace and to try to get over my raging empty heart.

    Husband will be OK.  He will turn his focus on his flirting ability and soon find a new me quickly. Part of my ego doesn't like that. I don't know if I could trust a new husband anymore.  I am Pavlov's dog remember?  My husband has taught me to expect to be mistreated.  I write this for other's sakes.  This is what happens when you have patience and understanding and compassion and forget that you are living your own life trying so damn hard in a dysfunctional relationship.  Don't give your life away.

  • Non-ADHD burnout. How do you find the energy to carry all the weight again? by: codrdave 12 years 6 months ago

    I was working day and night to pay 95% of the bills. I'd come home and nothing was done. Kids were not fed, homework not done, house not cleaned and forget anything extra like bills being done. 

    My job was insanely physical. I would get nose bleeds from the physical exertion and now have many repetitive motion injuries. I tried too hard, pushed it too far and now I am burned out. So much so that I could lay in bed all day and just wait to die. I am sure depression is involved, but I don't feel particularly depressed. I just have zero motivation. 

    Due to injuries, I can't sustain the physical job I used to do and my burnout is making it hard to accomplish anything. Being faced with the knowledge that my wife will never be able to be very helpful or reliable pust so much pressure on me. If Christmas cards aren't sent, it's my fault, if the house is a mess, it's my fault. Her entire family and friends never place any blame or responsibility on her. I do most of the cooking, cleaning and just about everything else but no matter how much I do I can't compensate for the black hole she creates. 

    How do I get myself back in the game and have the energy to try again?

    Are there any other non-ADHD spouses who have found ways to get everything done and not burn out? How do you do it and how do you cope?

  • Wondering whether anyone has tried scheduling sex? by: veg_girl 12 years 6 months ago

    Hi all-

    Would love people to weigh in on this:

    Like many others here, my DH and I struggle with our sex life a bit (he is ADD and wants it all the time, I am the non and don't want it as often b/c we're still trying to work our way out of the parent-child dynamic). Our counselor suggested that we consider scheduling sex, which is something I've heard has worked for other couples...but I have some concerns.

    Pros: DH would know that he'd get the 3 times a week he's been asking for (if we agree on 3, that is), so he wouldn't feel compelled to try for it every single day. If he doesn't try for it every day, I may feel like he's interested in me for reasons other than sex, which would hopefully bring us closer (like, we'd be able to watch a movie on the couch together without him trying anything). If we feel closer, I would be more likely to initiate sex (another complaint of his--I "never" initiate...another instance where perception isn't reality). Another bonus--if he doesn't push for it every day, I won't have to turn him down almost every day, so his self-esteem should improve a bit, too, right? So overall, I think it could work.

    Here are the cons, though: What if scheduling it makes it less exciting, like if the planning makes it feel like a job (to either of us)? And I often think that one main reason he helps with certain things is that he's trying to get me in the mood (I can't quite explain this b/c it's not that I'm accusing him of thinking that emptying dishwasher = sex, but I have noticed a pattern of him trying for it more after he does something around the house...), so what if he stops doing things around the house b/c he feels like he doesn't need to work for it anymore? Also, for DH, if our sex life is good, then everything else is good--he's said this is really all he needs. So I'm concerned that if he feels good about us and sees everything as good, he'll be less likely to work on improving things between us. B/c I need much more than sex--I need to feel like I have a partner with whom I can talk and laugh and learn...and I don't think those things will automatically follow just b/c we have more sex.

    Has anyone tried scheduling sex? And if so, has it worked at all or made things more difficult?

    Thanks in advance for your insight!

  • So glad I found this forum! I'm an Non-ADHD wife that needs advice! by: STAR75 12 years 6 months ago

    I am so glad that I found this forum! I have so much to say so forgive me if this is long. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD about 7 years ago but should have been diagnosed much earlier in life (elementary school). He has been on medication since then but has not had any type of counseling/therapy. We have been together for 15 years and married for 11 years. He also suffers with components of OCD and there has been suggestions that he may display signs of Asperger's. He was very motivated when we were first together and was able to go to school, have a job; etc. He quit a very good job less than 2 years after we were married and has not been employed since (except 2 jobs that he worked at for about 6 months each and decided to quit). He does have another chronic medical issue that he is being treated for which did contribute to his inability to work. 

    His ADHD and OCD issues have become a huge difficulty and I find myself becoming more resentful and angry. I am in the Medical profession so I am aware that individuals with ADHD have brains that are wired differently and that there are biological reasons for some behaviors. I try to keep that in mind when we are having issues but sometimes it feels like he is just being a jerk.  These are some of examples of what I am struggling with:

    1) He never finishes any project he starts. I realize that this is part of ADHD but our house has been a construction zone for almost 6 years. He has been trying to refinish the kitchen cabinets for the last 5 years. He decided that he wanted to re-texture the ceiling in our kitchen/breakfast area 4 years ago. He started that project by tearing off the texture on the ceiling and that's where it ended. Been staring at bare sheetrock ever since. 

    2) He is so OCD when it comes to doing things and he is not happy if there is one tiny flaw in his work. I have wanted to paint our bedroom for the last few years. He doesn't want me to paint because at "some point" he wants to replace all the sheetrock, redo the electrical wiring, and possibly remodel the layout our bedroom/bathroom. Because he wants to do all this, he says that it doesn't make sense to paint the walls if they are just going to get torn down at "some point". I don't even know where the logic lies in that one. 

    3) I never understood what "hyperfocus" was until I started reading this forum. He goes from one hyperfocus to the next. He goes from cars, guitars, cameras, computers, remodeling projects, etc. He will talk for hours/days/weeks about one subject and give me every minute detail about that particular topic. He can remember a conversation that we had 13 years ago and expects me to remember exactly the way he does. He said that he started making himself remember every detail of a conversation when he was a teenager because his parents thought he was lying about everything and he wanted to keep mental notes. I have explained to him that my brain does not work that way and it is not fair for him to expect me to be able to do the same. I start to tune him out and not pay attention to the conversation because I get to the point of information overload. That just gets him pissed off and he accuses me on not caring about what he is talking about. He then gets on the kick of wanting me to repeat everything that he says back to him to make sure that I "understand" what he just said. That can be very tiring and annoying. I am really trying to be present and engaged in our conversations but it is a work in progress.

    4) He honestly makes me feel like an idiot sometimes. If I don't understand what he is trying to tell me or they way he is explaining it does not make sense, he will make comments about how I am not smart or just don't understand the subject. I am an intelligent person and would never have been able to survive in my career if I was an idiot. My job is extremely intense, demands a complex/detailed knowledge base, and is many times emotionally exhausting. 

    5) He constantly over-analyzes my facial expressions, tone of speech, or our conversation. He is always asking why I made a certain face at him (this is usually when I am squinting because I can't see) or tells me that I am being short with him (this is usually when I have had a sh***y day at work and dealt with someone dying). It is perfectly acceptable for him to have a bad day, be grumpy, get pissed off, get overwhelmed but God forbid if I ever display those emotions. Phone conversations are sometimes very painful because he wants to go into such detail about a certain subject and I often don't have the time to talk because I'm at work. He gets upset that I don't have time to talk to him but I nicely (sometimes not so nicely) try explaining that I am at work and will call him back when I get a few moments. 

    6) He has spent years of impulse buying and then lying about it. Our house if full of "stuff" he has bought and stashed away. When I ask him if something is new, he always says "No, I've had it a few years" and tells me that I've never noticed that item. He will also claim that we talked about the purchase he was going to make and that I just forgot about it. (Uhm, no. I think I would have remember if we had a discussion about buying a $300 guitar). He tells me that I am the one that is bad with money and I don't know how to budget. My response is usually that it's hard to budget money that we don't have since he has a bad habit of buying things that are costly and that money was suppose to go for bills. I will say that he has gotten better about it but we are still out tens of thousands of dollars because of it.

    7) He is constantly losing or misplacing things. I will typically get multiple phone calls when I am at work because he can't find something. I have had to leave work on several occasions because he is having such a meltdown about not being able to find something that I'm afraid of what things will be like when I get home.  

    I am really trying to separate the ADHD behaviors and non-ADHD behaviors. I realize he didn't chose to have ADHD. I also realize that he has the choice on how he can deal with his ADHD. I have spent many years allowing his happiness/unhappiness to be directly linked to my happiness/unhappiness (I am assuming this is probably a co-dependent behavior). I have spent the majority of our marriage being the one that is the sole provider, worrier about money, healthcare, dealing with doctors/medications, picking up all the slack that he can't or won't deal with. A person can only do that for so long.

    Any help or advice would be much appreciated.  

  • Should I stay or should I go by: BluAngel83 12 years 6 months ago

    I recently got married to someone who I thought was IT! I mean everything in a nutshell. Even thought we came from EXTREMELY different planets (backgrounds) I felt like we just meshed so well. Knowing the my ADDer came from a broken home and a harsh environment (the HOOD) I could see the lack of expressing too many emotions, not knowing how to be romantic and not knowing how to conduct themselves in a new environment (the suburbs) but I thought that could change with time in no time. Boy I could not have been more wrong!! After our wedding date, things became warped. I found myself doing EVERYTHING! All of the qualities that I once fell in love with are now erased like they were never present in the first place. I soon became overwhelmed with remembering when her bills were due and keeping track of events and many other things up to my eyeballs. In all of that, I lost ALL of me. I soon struggled with keeping my personal bills and responsibilities in order and noticed that I was not paying as much attention to my son as I always have. I found myself trying to raise not only my child but my full grown spouse as well. I BEGGED and CRIED and TRIED and TRIED to show her and explain to her how her lack of focus and inattentiveness affected me. I grew weary and my health began failing trying to keep up with everything. I went from fun loving and outgoing to miserable and unhappy really quickly. I felt as though I had done all that I could to save us. We started counseling and it was awkward at first but we both got into it. I was so beyond frustrated and angry within 1 week following our first session that I thought my head was going to explode! During our 3rd visit after explaining my frustrations and anger and extreme lack of interest in this marriage, the therapist asked a few SIMPLE questions and BAM! She advised this could be ADD. I instantly felt horrible about being angry and decided that I was going to tough this out but there WILL BE boundaries. I began reading this forum and it gave me an alternate view to ADD marriages. This soothed me for a spell. I began then noticing that everything was getting worse almost like now that I may have a condition, you have no choice but to stick with it! Um, NO. I asked her if she thought she was socially awkward or saw any differences in her coping skills from anyone else...she said no and didn't care how others viewed her as long as she did not embarrass me. Talking to her is like talking to a wall. Here came the instant frustration and anger with everything I mentioned. Completely defensive no matter what I said. I advised her that she was becoming impossible to be with anymore and I fight myself EVERYDAY to stay here in this marriage and her attitude does not make it ANY better. In a nutshell, she understands that she may have ADD but doesn't know what to do as she was never used to caring about herself in this way she mostly always just had survival skills more than anything else. I am completely drained of EVERYTHING, love, emotions, desire, and so much more. I have blocked her from my heart in fear that I may lose myself even more while helping her find herself. I fear that she is just getting on the bandwagon in fear of losing me and our life together and not really for herself. It makes all the effort phoney and useless. If you do not see a problem with yourself, how can you put all of your efforts into this? I feel like I should get out while I can before I'm unhappy for 20 years down the line. I'm not getting any younger and she's not really trying to make much progress (in my opinion) Please help!

  • Auditory processing/dyslexia/learning disability. by: lovehurtsalotwi... 12 years 6 months ago

    My spouse has auditory processing/dyslexia and a learning disability.Which I read is coexisting in (some)cases of ADHD.I have noticed his learning disability when I saw he can't spell "some"words correctly.A simple word like for ex:"double",he has the thinking and the auditory processing all wrong,he would hear a commercial on TV for example and make it out to be different,he has been doing this with even me.If I were to tell him something like"hey please don't do that again"and in a soft tone,he would tell me that I was being nasty and that I have no right telling him that.Then we would start to fight over his misinterpretation with me.

    This is dangerous,this could be controlled but I clearly don't know how? he has this problem since I know him and it is getting worse.He would have these wrong auditory processing"ALL THE TIME" I could be at my home or at work and he would walk in on me looking all mad for no reason like he saw something that was wrong and truthfully "nothing"is going on just the same routine almost everyday.He would see me doing something now and then he would not process it at that moment,but,then he would go home and process it differently.Like my work attired for that matter,everyday he would see me in the same work outfit,then 2 to 3 months will pass then suddenly my outfit is too tight,or my make up is to heavy.

    scary.

    has anyone experience this?

    lovehurts.

     

  • Going "overboard" in emotional relationships. by: shaggy 12 years 6 months ago

    Hi all,

    the story so far.

    I'm dating, or trying to date, a lady with ADHD. She knows that she has it, and has been on medication for about 7 years, and is very upfront about it, and some of the problems it can cause her.

    Because of details separate from the ADHD, we are in agreement to take things slow and cautiously. Now, she is of the opinion, that I suffer from ADHD as well, there is good evidence she is correct. I am looking at getting an assessment for this.

    One thing she said, that really rang a bell with me, is that people with ADHD tend to make their SO the "center of their world"? or to put too much into the whole relationship thing? Not quite clear on the exact wording she used. I can quite see how that can be a problem. It does describe my behavior when in a relationship, or even, as in this case, my behavior now. I haven't even kissed her and I'm pretty well smitten!

    So, some questions, is what she said generally recognized? How has it affected you? I am of the opinion, that it is a different perspective for males generally, and can, for both, be a *GOOD* factor, under the right circumstances.

    Given her history, I understand where she is right now about relationships, but it does make progressing with her, a little,....problematic.

  • What do you suppose he is thinking? by: gardener447 12 years 6 months ago

    My ADD guy and I have both been very busy with work these past few months... but recently as my schedule cooled down a little, my husband and I still spend very little time together (as in, in the house at the same time).  His work is less demanding now, too, but he's filled up every available hour with hobbies and activities and other people that take him out of the house or require him to spend hours on the computer fulfilling some promise he made to somebody. 

    I have for years had to work one night a week, always the same night, always 3 or 4 weeks a month.  For years.  Yet I've just noticed that my husband never schedules any of his leisure time activities for that night I'm gone.  He always stays home that night.  The last three weeks I've been gone one evening, and he's been gone the next three nights.  Last night, I said it's a bummer that when I'm working you're home, but when I'm home you're gone, and we have to work on our timing.  He said Yeah, I miss you too.  But I can't do stuff the night you're gone cause then I wouldn't ever have a night to myself. "

    This took just a little more than the split second to hurt than his blurts usually do.  But I thought I heard him say that he preferred, if he was busy and only got one evening at home in a week, to have it be the night I am gone.  I asked for confirmation of this.  He said, "Yeah, but if I get that night out of the way (referring to his evening home alone) that gives me more time to spend with you."  (!?!?!??!)  I asked how so?  And he said "well, I know you're going to be home all the other nights, so if something gets canceled, there you are!"

    Am I crazy?  He was smiling like we were having a nice, fun, conversation, like he really believed his scheduling was good for us!  I think he really believes he misses me.  I think he probably doesn't realize how much is committing to because he says yes to things one at a time, and never adds them up.  I get that it's important to have some "alone" time.  I guess I just wish it would come out of his everybody/everywhere else time, rather than me.  I asked if he could commit to keeping one night a week free for both of us.  He said "You're not going to try to bring back date night, are you.  Cause that just got to feel like a job."  No, it doesn't have to be date night, I said. It has to be a night you don't commit to giving to someone else.  He said he'd try, but he looked skeptical.  Then he gave me a big hug, and a smile, and ... left for his next appointment.

    Am I misunderstanding his intentions?  He seems to think they are honorable.  But I feel like ... crap.  I'm almost tempted to find reasons to be gone as well, but that really doesn't seem constructive, and definitely seems childish.  In addition, HE WOULDN'T NOTICE.  I enjoy my time at home (gardening, for example).  So anyway, I'd like a better interpretation of what he tried to say.  

  • Denial...our problems are all your fault, it's not my ADHD! by: whipinpost 12 years 6 months ago

    Thanks to all

    I have spent the last few hours reading some very insightful thoughts and messages and am very grateful.

    I am going to celebrate by husbands 53rd birthday today, we have been together 7 years and he suffers from ADHD.  He won't take medication, doesn't like the way it makes him feel and so he chews tobacco which "evens him out".  He was clinically diagnosed with ADHD and my depression and sadness comes from his ANGER and the fact that he believes everything wrong in our relationship is my fault.  I'm a b****, selfish and fat (I could afford to lose 20-30 pounds) but no one in my life other than my husband has called me fat and we don't have sex because my fat disgusts him.  I have never been so angry before in my life, I have stooped to his level so all we do is YELL at each other.  I am a very pleasant person normally, have people that love me, everyone I know enjoys my company, an a good listener but I have become someone else with my husband.  My husband has two personality.  The fun loving, outgoing, flirtatious man in front of acquaintances and strangers and a very anger, hurtful man with me.  This behavior makes me even more anger, why do I get the "mean" man and strangers get the "awesome" guy... he hides his illness from strangers well.

    He has had anger control issues since day one, so I did put myself in this spot willingly, thinking I could help him (I am a nurse) but now I know I have to get a handle on this.  I am glad I found this forum, it may help me deal with and give me suggestions as to what I should do next.  So this is my question...how do I give this website to my husband as a birthday gift in a way that he will not get defensive, angry and MAD that I am once again blaming him and his ADHD (always defensive)?

    Narcissistic defense to levy criticism (symptom of ADHD)  "A mother who is busy and inattentive to her child, for example, if she is protecting a grandiose vision of herself as an exemplary mother, will meet a child's demands not with the explanation that she is busy and unwilling or unable to give attention at the moment, but with attributions that the child is selfish, immature, too demanding, or whatever. The child is made the flawed object in the service of avoiding realistic limitations and imperfections in the mother's self".

     

     

     

  • ADD Boyfriend Ended Relationship Abruptly by: sballe 12 years 6 months ago

    Hi, I've been involved with a man (who has ADD) for 4 months. He is 59, I'm 56. He just relocated from NC to Florida to continue our relationship after initially meeting in Florida while he was visiting a friend. We've had great communication, attraction, mutual like and respect for each other. We share many things in common. After being here for one week, he abruptly ended the relationship citing impulsivity that caused him to get over-involved. He said he did not love me enough to continue on. He blamed his behavior on his ADD and said he was sorry. He was loving and kind while I cried and fell apart. Now he is taking time to think before we speak again. I'm wondering if this is a common problem and if anyone can help me understand it. 

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