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  • Other Possibilities????? by: GiveMePatience 8 years 2 months ago

    Hello To Everyone!

    As a new member to your little community here, I would like to say 'Hello' and to thank you for all of the things that you have written, shared and expressed, that have given a 'newcomer', such as myself, an OVERWHELMING sense of... 'YOU MEAN I AM NOT ALONE???!!!'

    I have been married for almost 28 years and have just recently stumbled upon A DEFINITION for just about EVERYTHING that was just SO 'un-explainable'. ADHD!!! I am wondering if the 'veterans' here can answer a question for me...

    If I can relate 100 PERCENT to how the 'non-ADHD' spouse feels... could there possibly be ANOTHER 'explanation, other than ADHD? My husband is CONVINCED that his 'issue' can be explained due to his having a "very stressful job ONLY". We have owned a retail business for 28 years.

    I have read two books on the subject of ADHD and COUNTLESS articles on the internet. I can tell you that my garage, basement, my husband's car and his bathroom are ALL A COMPLETE MESS. So much so, that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to even WALK in the basement, without walking ON TOP OF THINGS. Often times, when I talk to him, he literally looks POSSESSED, with his eyes EXTRA WIDE OPEN... although, he is NOT HEARING A WORD of what I am saying. As soon as we got married, he COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED... and DROWNED himself into our business. He wastes an EXTRAORDINARY amount of time looking for things that he has misplaced. Over the past 2-3 years, he has grown INCREASINGLY QUICK TO ANGER AND FRUSTRATION, where this has become his 'regular state'. I could go ON AND ON... And on..... :(

    The problem is, is that he is 'writing all of this off' and states that 'it can ALL be explained due to his 'high-stress' life'. If that is true... would I be able to relate to EVERYTHING that all of you have written here...? He found an article online 'supposedly' written by a PHD who HAS ADHD... and that doctor said that the 'symptoms' are ALL attributable to stress and NOT ADHD. Thus, like so many things with my husband, that is the 'END OF DISCUSSION'.

    God forgive me for this... but many years ago I 'gently' asked my husband if we could go to the doctor and have him 'checked for a brain tumor'... as I TRULY was TERRIFIED that something was SERIOUSLY WRONG like that... as there was just SUCH A PROFOUND AND DRASTIC CHANGE IN HIM..... He even started LOOKING DIFFERENT... especially in his 'eyes'... and just the 'general' look on his face... Needless to say.... that didn't go over very well...

    My husband has taken 3 different ADHD online tests... and have scored on the 'HIGHLY PROBABLE chance' that he has ADHD. He explains that as there are 'other explanations' for this... He comes from a family of 'high achievers' and did very well in school. He says he 'cannot relate AT ALL' to any of the 'childhood issues' that are typically described by ADHD. Although, I can attest to one of his sisters telling me, as did he, that his parent would use a leash on him in public. God forgive me for this... I can also state that his mother, at one time, was on 'anti-psychotic medication'... his sister has a condition (still) where she pulls out her hair... one of his sisters has been in and out of drug rehab... etc... I know that almost none of us has had the 'perfect family'... but the 'degree of issues' in his seemed a bit more 'severe', than the average...

    I have read how most of the 'non-ADHDers' respond to the symptoms and behaviors of ADHD is often by 'constant nagging and arguing'. I have chosen the 'other route', and have simply withdrawn... COMPLETELY.... and have spent YEARS 'walking on eggshells'.....

    Again, I am going to ask... is it even POSSIBLE that I can 'relate' to an ASTRONOMICAL amount of your 'experiences, thoughts, feelings, reactions', etc... and my husband does NOT have ADHD???

    I thank you all in advance for your time, consideration and anything that you might share. Thank you so much...

    ~GMP

  • Helpful in the wrong ways? by: hotmess 8 years 2 months ago

    New to posting here.  My husband has ADD, I do not.  I could ramble on for hours/days/months about the issues in our marriage, but frankly, you know them.  You live them too.  So I won't ramble on, even if I'd like to.

    I am currious if others with ADD partners find that they can be over helpful at times? In the completely wrong ways?

    I can ask/beg/yell/cry for his help with the day-to-day tasks/chores and nothing changes.  Yet, when I'm in the middle of doing something and have it under control, he wants to be in my space helping. Example: Yesterday we stopped at the store to pick up a few things.  We didn't have much, so we used a self checkout.  Those kiosks are small.  We had about 5 - 7 items, so I was just going to grab them from the cart, scan, bag, pay, leave. No big deal.  Yet, he physically inserted himself. I almost smacked him on accident because he shoved himself between me and the kiosk and I didn' t know he was there (I was in front of the computer, reaching into the cart, when I turned to scan, he was RIGHT there.)  I asked him to move over, then he throws his hands in the air: "I'm just trying to be helpful" and plays the "I can't do anything right" game. I'm tired of the "I can't do anything right" game, so I just asked him to please stop.

    When we got to the car, I was calm and tried to explain that he is often overly helpful in the wrong ways.  What I need his help with are things like chores, going to work on time every day, and him going to therapy.  We have had the same discussion about these 3 things I need from him for 7 years. (he is taking medications, but not going to therapy and he NEEDS the therapy.  I even had my therapist help me find someone for him, he says they are playing phone tag. That's another story for another time.).  I don't need his help when I have things under control, and he knows I will ask him if I do need help. Yet when I ask, he ignores me.  When I don't ask it's like he's just putzing around in my way.

    I think it has really just dawned on me that he does this. I'm already frustrated with him, so, while this is truly a very small thing, it's just feeding my own frustration.

    I don't want/mean to be a b***h.  I can state very simply, "I am overwhelmed, I need your help" and tell him what I need help with. Offer to help him get more organized, gvie suggestions of using the calendar on the wall or on his phone, etc.  And it goes ignored.  But man, when there's something small that I'm doing that requires zero assstance... he's RIGHT THERE. I just wonder if others have this experience as well?

    I know this is a small thing. I guess I'm just at my wits end right now, overly frustrated by the lack of help with the big picture, you know?

     

  • Zapp got me thinking... by: SpaceyStacey197... 8 years 2 months ago

    Zapp replied to another thread, and it really got me thinking. Its easy to focus on the damage being done to me, to feel the hurt and neglect from his anger transference, from his near constant rejection etc. I know what all of that stems from so I have stood my ground with him, never giving up. And now - for the "who knows how many times" time - he has stated again that he doesnt want to be married. Of course, I am not surprised - a World of Warcraft movie came out, new expansion to the game and all. Perfect escape for someone who is afraid to face who they really are, and what their past really is.

     

    But this time - I am done with the games, the ride, the constant control and expectations of myself from someone who doesnt even SEE ME. And thats really the most tragic part of this. My H was lucky he married someone like me. Someone who sees past the flaws, the problems and the issues to who he really is. (which is uncomfortable to him since HE doesnt love himself). He is lucky that he married someone who loved him enough to give him all those chances when he broke his word, when he "tested" me with porn, when he had inappropriate attentions on other women. Because i CHOSE to see him for who he is. I chose to take a chance on him, lift him up, not tear him down. Even though the work of that lifting was hard, I was there every step of the way. I educated myself about the challenges he faced, and adjusted my perception and expectations accordingly.

     

    And when the CSA came out - I didnt flinch when he told me his deepest secrets and deepest shames. I didnt run away in "disgust" like SO MANY other wives have - believe me, I know - I am in a support forum like this for male survivors of CSA. I have read countless posts from men wishing their wives reacted like me. I get private messages from men on that forum thanking me and calling me an angel - telling me that even though they were abandoned by their wife, it gave them hope that they could find someone like me since *I* existed. When I read those stories and those messages, it breaks me up so much. Because my H - he doesnt see any of it. In fact, in almost stereo typical fashion - he has transferred the anger from what happened to him to me and our marriage and has become oppositional and files me under "enemy".

     

    I dont even think he is totally aware of how much he does it because he is so disconnected to his own emotions and so out of control that he just reacts - with out even thinking WHY. And instead of turning my back on him, I tell him I love him, that we need to talk and communicate so we can work through this. I work even harder to show him that he is loved and supported and will be able to recover when he is ready to take the steps. And still... he doesnt see me. He thinks that I have him pinned down and controlled - when literally - I have NOTHING to do with it.

     

    The only things I will not tolerate are 1. cheating, 2. porn, 3. lying. We have total transparency because - I didnt run away when those things (other than cheating) became a problem. Most other women would - and all other women have in his life. No. I stayed. I looked at who he really was deep inside - and I know THAT guy... that guy under the mask is a baddass, he is an amazing man with a loving heart, a good person to the core. The mask - not so much. But that is who is in control. And that is who I have dealt with for most of our marriage.

     

    And STILL... I stuck it out, because beating down that mask was going to be a long, hard battle - one that my H said he was ready to commence. So I did my part, I got the environment in shape, I armed myself with knowledge and gave him the same weapons. He was supposed to be educating himself. Gearing himself up to finally be truly free and in REAL control (not being dictated by his every whim like how a child views control). But he lied. He didnt do any of those things. The mask took over and said "do that later - thats hard, have fun right now, be lazy right now, play on your phone right now" etc... and later never came. He had every weapon he needed - but never bothered to pick any of them up.

     

    So - he is very lucky. He is lucky he married someone who was willing to invest not just her heart and emotions, but her intellect and finances into him. Provide him with the ability to reach all his dreams... and he threw it all away because he is too lazy to step up. Because he is too fearful to even LOOK at the weapons that will save his life. Because escape into a fantasy world is so much more appealing because its NOT REAL... and reality for him is a very scary place. He is leaving, and I will be OK. I am aware of what I am loosing when this marriage dies and will be able to appropriately mourn and grieve.

     

    The tragedy of this is that he doesnt have any idea, and it is going to compound all his issues with a layer of sadness that he cant place. And everyone else he brings into his life will suffer for it and be blamed, and the cycle will continue until he finally picks up the weapons and beats down the mask. He was lucky to have married me - who gave him everything - instead of someone who would have taken what little he had away from him.

  • Momentary irritation... by: SpaceyStacey197... 8 years 2 months ago

    You know... The whole smoking thing... All I asked is that he cleaned up after himself.  And he doesn't even bother doing that.  

     

    There are NINE empty boxes on my table on the deck and nasty ashtray.. All getting ready to be blown across the yard.  I have asked so many times to have that taken care of.  

  • Cooking for a small group - need new strategy by: jennalemone 8 years 2 months ago

    Here is how is has gone for 40 years:  I invite, plan menu, buy groceries for menu, clean house, set table, peel, marinate the meat for the grill, clean up prep mess, lead, take care of the granddaughters while doing this because they usually have stayed overnight.     H is sitting in the garage smoking while I am doing this saying he is "mowing the lawn". People come to the door, he is still smoking until I am ready to call him to say the meat is ready to put on the grill.  THEN he holds court making a very big production about how he needs me to get him the right tools, get the platters ready for him, help me bring the meat to the table. All with a little bit of frustration on his part because this is almost too much for him to handle.  Then for the next week he is talking about how he grilled for everyone, what "we" all made and how he likes to grill out. Tomorrow we are having a very small family group over and I am planning how I can change this dynamic.

    When I ask him to "take over" a portion of the preparation, he seems to get overwhelmed and fiesty (like I should not "tell" him what to do).  Then, if he does start a creative food project in the kitchen, the mess he creates and the nervous tension he brings makes more work for me....which is why I just have done things myself in the kitchen mostly for all these years.  He walks through the house with shoes on the rugs after being outside in the rain or in the greasy, oily, dirty garage.  He does not notice. He is unaware of things, answering to no one, going about his singular way.  Like a teenager in the house.

    I would like to enjoy the people while they are here but it seems like I am the servant girl in the kitchen, cleaning and serving. When people leave, I am drained and resentful that H takes credit for what I do.

    Anyone have a system or a way of navigating "when people come over for a meal"? It doesn't have to be fancy...it's my son's birthday...just extended family. I usually get take out...knowing that grilling makes a lot of work for me.  Food delivery is not available here. And this time my other son suggested "let's just grill out a bunch of meat" and I impulsively agreed. Which means, for me, veggies or salad, drinks for kids and adults, dishes, cleanup.  The day before having had 2 young granddaughters most of the day and overnight. 

    Some women seem to know how to make all this happen and enjoy it while doing it.  How do you prepare and enjoy the time with people you have invited to come for an enjoyable time? 

  • I am the mirror... its why he wants to run by: SpaceyStacey197... 8 years 2 months ago

    Maybe I am delusional, and maybe I am missing the mark completely... but something occurred to me this morning when I woke up.

     

    I am his mirror.  Its why he cannot face me anymore.  Its why he has to run away from our marriage and me.  To be with me, he has to be his true self, I will not settle for the mask that he gives to everyone else. His true self is who I love.  *I* will not let him be dishonest with himself.  He knows that he cannot tell me he is OK when he isnt.  Even if I say nothing - he knows he cannot hide himself from me.  Thats why he can run to a friends house and be comfortable, because NO ONE THERE is close enough to force him to deal with his real self.  His mother in fear of pushing him away will go with anything he says.  His friends just don't want to deal with any of his issues - they just want to hang out and have fun.  But me... because I DO care, because I WANT the truth - it forces him to have to really look at himself and that is the greatest and deepest discomfort and pain to him there is.  He has to face shame and guilt, some earned for his own bad behavior - easily forgiven by me-  though he cant seem to forgive himself as he should, but MOST of that shame and guilt isnt even his - it was just pushed on him as a child for things he has zero control on - but he cannot tell the difference between them.  And I am betting that shame and guilt for those things that ARENT his (the CSA, some of the thoughts and things he had to do to protect himself) - those are so scary that he lumps everything together and just runs as fast as he can.  And he cannot see that that stuff is the past and he is letting it control his present - but he doesnt have to let it control his future.

     

    I also reflect his insecurities.. because I know his worth, and his talents, and his strengths - I KNOW the real man inside and he is amazing... he cannot hide and pretend he doesnt have them or that this mask he wears is who he is.  He cannot look at me like he can everyone else and feel no responsibility and no requirements and no expectations.  Thats what makes everyone else so comfortable for him - the have zero expectations of him.  They dont think he CAN be anything.... more... than the guy that sits around in his room and plays games coming out every now and then to eat - a guy to talk shit with and play games with or watch football with.  And while they do care, its a limited thing  - because he isnt a big part of their lives.   They like to think they live on some movie where friends will be there through thick and thin - but when it comes to the hard stuff, they ignore it and let HIM ignore it because THAT part of loving someone is hard.  They are friends, good friends - but not the kind that will walk through hell with you and drag you out, or pick you up if you fall.  he will call them and talk to them and have a great time - but he cant talk to me because I know the truth about who he is - he cant pretend to be someone else to me. 

     

    Its starting to click.

     

    I wonder....am I close to the truth here.

  • Hey DeDe, Liz, so many of my fellow friends here! A SONG! :-) by: SpaceyStacey197... 8 years 2 months ago

    So - I heard this song, and BOY did it resonate with me today!  PLUS - its got Marines!  And who doesnt love them! :-)

     

    THEY CANNOT HAVE OUR SOULS!

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwfgXD8qV8

     

    Days like this I want to drive away
    Pack my bags and watch your shadow fade
    You chewed me up and spit me out
    Like I was poison in your mouth
    You took my light, you drained me down
    But that was then and this is now, now look at me

     

    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!
    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!
    Throw your sticks and your stones, throw your bombs and your blows
    But you’re not gonna break my soul
    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!

     

    I just wanna throw my phone away
    Find out who is really there for me
    You ripped me off your love was cheap
    Was always tearing at the seams
    I fell deep, you let me down
    But that was then and this is now, now look at me

     

    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!
    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!
    Throw your sticks and your stones, throw your bombs and your blows
    But you’re not gonna break my soul
    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!

     

    Now look at me I’m sparkling
    A firework, a dancing flame
    You won't ever put me out again I’m glowin’ oh whoa
    So you can keep the diamond ring
    It don't mean nothing anyway
    In fact you can keep everything yeah, yeah except for me

     

    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!
    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no!
    Throw your sticks and your stones, throw your bombs and your blows
    But you’re not gonna break my soul
    This is the part of me
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no
    This is the part of me, no
    Away from me no
    This is the part of me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, no
    Throw your sticks and your stones, throw your bombs and your blows
    But you’re not gonna break my soul
    This is the part of me,
    That you’re never gonna ever take away from me, no

  • Doberman and the Porcupine by: kellyj 8 years 2 months ago

    This is just a humorous post...that came out of something my therapists has used to help me (and us together) understand (my) particular situation with my wife and I. This is done on both of our behalf including my wife and she is in on this too......For me....this helps me in  order to get me to see my wife...from the perspective of a character...or "nature of the beast" way of seeing things.  This is really is helpful for me...in understanding what my wife...is not always able to communicate with me as far as her needs are concerned.

    I was talking this over with my wife the other night...and I said.."he hasn't given me an animal character yet....I wonder what that would be?

    My wife immediately said "A dog!!!!"  And that cracked me up.  Not as in "a dog" as a put down....but literally....as my animal character and my....'nature of the beast."  It's perfect...I cannot argue or disagree.  And the first "dog" I thought about...was one of my favorites from my past....since she was just like me in so many ways....that I had to come here and put this into perspective.

    As my T was telling me....."Leave the Porcupine alone"....when it's quills are up.  The "nature of the beast"....and my character animal....is perfect...in explaining why this is so difficult to do sometimes.  It is not....in my "nature".....to leave the Porcupine alone...but I have to go against my instincts and my nature anyway....as my T made this very clear to me.

    I found the perfect video to show this in action.  My girl Doberman....did the same thing.  She just couldn't leave it alone!!! LOL  I'm so much like this....it's not even funny!! LOL

    Enjoy it for what it is......I'm a Doberman....what can I say?  It's not in the nature of a Doberman....to just leave things alone!!! lol

     

    Doberman obsession  https://youtu.be/d5BNG9ufDKc

    Doberman..doesn't know what to do with new situations https://youtu.be/YFfK1Zla1b8

    Doberman shame    https://youtu.be/rEeMDLddVBU

    Doberman..not good with reading cues   5:11 https://youtu.be/8uxDs4LawTQ

    Doberman  loves animals    https://youtu.be/o7nvyXFsyf8

    Doberman  can't leave it alone  https://youtu.be/0IXqIaNgtec

     

    J

  • Trust, Boundaries and Attraction by: Anonymous (not verified) 8 years 2 months ago

    My husband is a good person at the core. Loving, affectionate, and faithful. He loves me and his kids and would die for us I am sure of that. He is a loving, playful and affectionate father. He is very smart and creative and ambitious. He is giving. These are the things I love about my husband. Due to his ADD which I did not realize was causing all the chaos in his life (and eventually mine) he is not a dependable person. Financially I lack trust even though he hit rock bottom a few years ago and has done really good with paying his share of the finances since. I never know his schedule for work or life in general. He puts efforts into making room in his schedule for his activities but does not put priority on family needs/schedules or my schedule. My goals, dreams or concerns or unimportant to him and he rarely listenes when I try to discuss. He is emotionally unavailable and pretty much unavailable for any discussion outside of his work or fishing. I never know when he will be home or if he is away on business until he is leaving for the trip that morning. I cannot schedule my own personal time well because I don't know his schedule (we have two small kids so this is why it is hard). Over the last 4 years after feeling like I have been walked all over I have finally created boundaries to keep his chaos "his" and out of my life. I feel very lonely most of the time as I do not feel like he is an engaged partner. It seems he is mostly a figurehead in our lives only. The kids are confused by his "randomness" and schedule and miss him a lot. The boundaries have helped me take back my life, enjoy activities I could not do before because I was always waiting for him to "help." The financial stresses are not as bad because I control the budget and keep a roof over our heads. I work and contribute equally financially. I was hoping the boundaries would solve my problems and then I could have a wonderful marriage and for the most part it has. But now I am left feeling as though having to have so many boundaries b/c you cannot trust the person you have committed your life to is lonely and depressing and I am not attracted to him any longer. How do you take care of yourself and still love the person you are protecting yourself against? I am trying to call up the days when we first met and our independence was cherished. But now that we are a family I long for someone to actually share the family with, to do things with, to know if I am sick or something happens I can call and actually get ahold of my spouse. Has anyone had this experience and how did you get through it to find a light at the end of the tunnel? How did you fall in love again after putting up so many walls to protect yourself? (Ironically enough while writing this my H's mother called and asked me if I knew why a Principal Investigator for the state was calling and asking her about my husband and his business. I just had to explain to not involve me and why to her which now she is having an anxiety attack over us getting divorced. I should have just said I don't know call him but I am so worked up today after him being unresponsive for two days while I was missing work and home with my sick kids I just let it all out at why her son is so hard to deal with! LOL the fun never stops)

  • so tired of being on my own even though there is a husband by: dvance 8 years 2 months ago

    So most days most of us do okay with the lack of support or emotional connection in our marriages, or at least we have made our peace with it.  But then there are days where you think you are keeping all the balls in the air and one comes CRASHING down and you realize just how alone you are even when there is another supposed adult in the house.  That was my day today.  Four weeks ago I had back surgery.  It went great and I feel terrific.  The bill came in the mail.  Thank GOD for our terrific insurance (from my job) because the entire thing was $20,000 and we only owe $1900.  Now, understand I still can't just write a check for $1900 but it beats the heck out of the $20K.  So that is on my mind.  My two teen boys went back to school yesterday.  I went back today--so there are those moving pieces.  DH was out of town all last week and yesterday and today.   I am an Assistant Principal, so I was at school every moment of the past two weeks getting ready for teacher meetings, hiring new teachers--we hired two on FRIDAY for goodness sake, and they need help and support to get started.  So that has to be done.  I also teach 4 classes, so that planning has to be done.  My oldest son, age 17, sees a counselor for addiction (he OD'd in January and was in rehab for 6 weeks).  He sees the counselor every two weeks.  It costs $175 for each appointment and it is NOT covered by our insurance.  I have a google calendar that all 4 of us are on plus a white board calendar in the kitchen.  The last two counselor appointments, DS drove himself to--two weeks ago I had an evening school meeting and DH was out of town.  Two weeks before that was the day after my surgery and DH was out of town.  Tonight DS texts me at 7pm from his work that he thinks he has an appointment tonight but he is at work and can't go.  Sure enough--he had the appointment, but he had not put it on any calendar or told me about it and so I am charged the $175.  And down comes one of the many balls in the air.  I really cannot afford to pay that kind of money for nothing.  Bad enough I pay it at all, but at least DS gets something out of it.  And DH is out of town.  So all of this is on me.  Like always, but today it got to me.  I called the counselor and tried to explain and he was having none of it AND he does not send confirmations--not his policy.  Gee thanks--way to help out busy families.  And we have marriage counseling on Saturday and I don't even know what I would say because DH always blames whatever I have to say on the stress of my job.  Which cracks me up because I LOVE my job.  It is my dream job.  My principal is terrific to work for, we have a great staff this year, we hired some terrific teachers, I like my students.  I am actually good at my job.  People respect my 15 years of experience and 3 degrees at my job.  My job is not stressful.  My job is rewarding.  I love my job and I am good at my job.  How can two people have such completely different experiences of the same thing?  I think this marriage royally sucks and DH thinks it's fine.  

    So that was my rant.  The financial stuff worries me no end.  DH does not worry about anything as far as I can tell.  Last week we got a $980 bill for something else that DH didn't know about and he just left if for me--didn't even ask what it was or why we had that amount for that bill.  How strange is that.  I would be at least a teeny bit curious.  The missed appointment and money wasted really made me feel deflated and defeated.  We have so much debt already, it just kills me to see that much go out the door for nothing.

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