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  • New here, I'm the less ADHD spouse, she's the more ADHD one by: ceolfrithtx 10 months 1 week ago

    Hi, new here. I'm diagnosed ADHD, but due to some immersion experiences that occurred naturally in my adult life, I manage it all right and am not being medicated for it. I have the hallmarks of ADHD but never really found a medication that made a noticeable difference for me. I'm thinking of pursuing treatment since I'm falling behind in my professional life (after a very undistinguished academic career...) and having difficulty focusing on professional development and job hunting. But at the moment, I hope there are people who understand what I am going through.

    It's been a really difficult ten-ish years with my (more ADHD) wife and I'm now audiobooking the Orlov book and am in (individual) counseling. Several things about her were like night and day before and after we married. We had lived separately in the same town beforehand. Probably most important was that after we got married she was revealed to be effectively unemployable due to being unable to cope with working under supervision or management. It's a trait that nobody would realize from knowing her; she's very sunny in disposition in public. But correction has to be presented to her SO gently and she needs to have her own ideas of how to do just about anything (creative outlet), so she always came home upset about work. The signs weren't strong enough when we were dating because she said some of her coworkers also disliked how their manager handled them. She changed jobs then and again while we were engaged, and then she started losing jobs or bringing home so many complaints every day that I eventually wanted her to quit, it was just too much. My parents have viewed her as a disappointment for a long time and pick up a lot of slack, and resent it, which is also difficult.

    Being self-employed was also too much for her, she lost us thousands of dollars trying to run her own homemade educational goods business AND she required almost daily input from me to get any of it done. She didn't even really ask before committing us. More recently, she got hyperfixated on gardening, so we're now growing vegetables that mostly go to waste and cost way more than store-bought. I said, "why not grow berries? We'd eat all of them and they're expensive to buy". NOPE. Has to be the produce that's already the cheapest at the store for some reason and almost all of it rots in our kitchen before it can be used. And now she wants chickens.

    After we got married, she took a deep dive into the world of "functional medicine" and never wants to treat any condition with pharmaceuticals if she can help it, even after our son's behavior has benefited from some. (That took years of arm twisting before she'd allow it.) Spurious supplements prescribed by a "real doctor" bring benefits to her mood and attention that I'd rate as no greater than positive thinking, but her perception of their effect is magnified, she swears by them, and she doesn't want to be any better. Meanwhile, the dishes and laundry pile up if I don't REMIND her to do them. They always need doing, but I have to remind her that they exist? And my clothes smell like mildew if I don't do them myself. I tell her "you should set a timer for the laundry, you can't forget to dry them if you do that". She won't do it unless I remind her to set the reminder. Until recently, I was supposed to be working remotely, full time, not backseat driving our household. We can't ever have anyone over because the house is never reasonably clean. And this is all WITH my additional assistance. I feel like I'm in prison, I'm always ashamed of our home. And it's not a problem that I can throw money at, I don't have it. I feel like our family is unequal to other people and has to hide. There isn't enough time for me to pick up all the slack around here.

    Our children have always been dressed out of mixed up laundry baskets too. Even when she does fold their laundry, she never, ever puts it away, so it ends up just getting messed up in the baskets. She gets tired or distracted before she can put it away. I told her, why not just try taking the laundry (I sorted) upstairs and fold it INTO the dressers, that way her work CANNOT be wasted or undone. She agreed that this makes sense. She just will not do it this way, she has to have her own ideas.

    Can I continue to live this way? Probably. I'm just very unhappy. We both are. But she will not change. I have a very self-sufficient outlook and always want to improve myself. She will not come along for the ride.

  • Grief - how do I work through it? by: Off the roller ... 10 months 1 week ago

    A topic for discussion came up recently with other Nons and that is the level of grief work that you/us should do - actually BOTH parties probably need to do - but how do I actually DO it? Like, how do I sit in it? Do I allow myself to cry? Do I try to cry in the evenings when I have time? (Although now that I've typed out that sentence it makes me smile/laugh because I can't really 'DO' grief, it just has to happen) 

    But seriously, what does grief work look like? What has it looked like? I'm wondering if I'm blocking myself from actually doing it (subconsicously) or allowing myself to grieve. I'm finding it really difficult. 

    And it feels like this forum should have a grief section because there's so many type of it that we are all experience PLUS the grief that happens before/during/after a diagnosis and for what our marriages were/have become/what they weren't. 

     

  • Forgiving Yourself by: J 10 months 2 weeks ago

    I recently read something on social media that really resonated with me. Knowing what I know about having ADHD, I'm aware that I can be challenging at times to live with. ADHD symptoms, unmitigated,  can definitely negatively impact people around me and it's really easy to blame yourself for everything you know you do that causes others to pull away. For me, intuitively, Ive known this going back to my childhood on some level buy could never put finger on exactly why? Being the identified patient or scapegoat in a dysfunctional family with at least one cluster B personality type parent, only makes this worse. Having undiagnosed ADHD on top of that, only exacerbates this problem.

    Anyway.....what I read went something like this: it's not a child's job to form healthy bonds with their parents. It's not the child's fault when parents fail to do so. ( Paraphrasing )

    This one really hit the bullseye for me. It means that not everything you do as a child is your fault a, ADHD or not even IF, you are lead to believe so by the powers that me.  It also means, that if this carry into your adult years, it's time to stop and let it go.

    For me, the cure to this kind of thinking and false belief is forgiveness.  Forgiving yourself for what is not your fault, and forgiving those who are actually responsible and/ or.....tried to make you responsible for what was not yours in the first place. I can see quite easily how this can play out especially for those of us with ADHD. The ramifications are almost endless. 

    Just another a-ha moment that I thought could be useful to someone else as I found it extremely useful for me.

    J

     

  • How do I convince my wife to read ADHD Effect On Marriage by: Mike.1775 10 months 2 weeks ago

    Hi all. I'm going to start just by giving some context. I am the one with ADHD here. I heard about the book sometime last year on Reddit. Ended up buying it sometime in the Fall after (or during) a fight, looking to see if this was one step in the right direction. It did take me a while to get to it and to actually finish it. I had a lul about halfway thru reading it. I was able already to use some strategies on my end like suggesting cue words and such along the way though, which helped a fair bit in at least resolving a couple conflicts. Anyway I ended up powering thru the second half and finished it back in February! I was proud of myself, I'm not going lie, since it's the first book I have read cover to cover in at least 5 years! That being said, I have mentioned it a couple times to my wife to read it now since she said before back in Jan or Feb that she was waiting for me to finish it before she took a look at it. I didn't push it too much though because we had our wedding back in April (we've been married about 2 1/2 years legally and been living together for just over 3 now). She was the one taking on about 99.5% of the wedding planning since I am almost useless for planning (no surprise there). Obviously, I did not want to add even more to her plate since I already do that on my own plus the wedding stress, she would have put me in a blender haha. Now that the wedding and honeymoon is over and done with she still hasn't gotten to the book. I've mentioned it a couple times now as well. I remember there being suggestions of how to finesse your ADHD-spouse into reading it but not so much the other way around. I understand that it is mostly a matter of framing it in the correct way but I feel that I need help with that. She disclosed last night in bed after we had a big fight (chore wars) that she was uncertain if we were going to make it and that she has been hesitant to read it because she does not want to help fix things that are not her fault/doing etc. I was already under the assumption that this was the case and would be the main obstacle in getting her to read it and hence why I was trying to not be pushy about it and I also understand and empathize where she is coming from. I explained how it takes two people to make a successful marriage in order to be on the same page about solving problems and also used the lines about how we need to try something different not harder. She also suggested this morning after I got to work that she wanted to consider taking a break. I do not know where to take it from here. We have had some trouble finding an in-person couples counselor/therapist since it seems they mostly do online these days post-covid. She has pretty much been up for only in-person until this morning (she also said this morning that online help may be a solution at this point) but it's hard for the both of us to meet their schedules. I will check back to the book when I get home tonight for more suggestions in getting her to take a look at the book. My marriage is indeed in a crisis and I'll take any advice anyone is willing to give. Thanks for your time and consideration! Please let me know if I need to clarify anything or add more context.

  • Wife just left me by: Plugger 10 months 2 weeks ago

    My un-diagnosed ADHD wife of over 20 years just announced (out of the blue) that she was leaving me and served me divorce papers the next day. She has many elements of ADHD and some OCD traits as well. We have just returned from a 3+ month van trip of Australia and we had a great time. We are retired and travel a lot. We get on well on the road. At home things are more challenging. We have never, ever discussed "divorce", "breaking up" or "splitting up". Since we had a great trip to Australia (we spend 3 months in a very small sprinter van) there was no indication that she was at the end of her rope. She was more moody and depressed than normal upon return which she said was due to jet lag and trip recovery.  I am in total shock.

    She spends a lot of time in her own thoughts (ruminating). I have no understanding of what is going on in her head. I realize now that I have been highly impacted by her ADHD behaviors. I was just able to always look past it. We have many of the negative interactions Melissa outlines in the book. She says she has lost herself. I believe she started to make this decision about six months ago (before we left for Australia) based on looking back on some of her comments.

    I am really struggling to come to terms with the way she handled this and did not give me a chance to fight for the marriage. She just upped and left. We had talked about counselors in the past but never made the step (which is my mistake).

    It has been nearly two weeks and she has not told any of her few close friends nor has she told her family (she was with her family over Memorial Day weekend). This is very bizarre to me.

    To the group: Does this decision of hers to just get up and leave reflect the ADHD condition. She has made it very clear there in no path to reconciliation. I am in a seek to understand mode.

  • Non ADHD partner feeling unloved by: BoeBoe 10 months 3 weeks ago

    My wife (ADHD) and I (Non-ADHD) have been together for nearly 20 years, married for over 10 of them. 1 kid. I have always been the breadwinner as my wife has struggled to ever hold down a job and struggled with anxiety and depression. About 5 years ago she was diagnosed with ADHD. I hold my hands up in that I never engaged with her much about it and was a bit of a sceptic until recently. Over the last couple of months we have had some very bad arguments that have pushed us closer to a break-up than we have ever been. Since we were so near the edge I took it upon myself to read up more about ADHD and wow I wish I had done this years ago. My wife demonstrates so much of what Melissa describes and sadly I found that my responses were also not helpful. So I have been actively trying to change myself to help her. Its been a big change for me too and I have tried to do so many things to change myself and our relationship over the last few weeks. This change in me though has also made me realise that I also have found coping mechanisms to deal with her ADHD, I just didn’t know it. In an attempt to change I have also had to try to break these coping mechanisms to rescue our marriage. As such, it has made me much more emotional and open about my feelings. I don’t feel however that this is going down too well with her.

    I feel that anytime I express my feelings it is met with huge defensiveness and almost like she is offended I dare even ask. After a few weeks of really trying to do things differently I just tried to communicate my thoughts to her. I said that I feel unloved and that I feel insecure and paranoid sometimes that she doesn’t want to be with me (I know I am pursuing but its so difficult not to). I don’t know why but I expected this to be met with some empathy. Instead, it was met with “I have told you I love you!” (true but its always me that initiates saying it). The actual reaction to me expressing how I felt turned out to be “why do you try to make ME feel bad?” and “what more do you want ME to do?” and “I can’t believe you are having a go at ME again!”. Yet this was about me expressing how I felt. This is the part of ADHD I find SOOO difficult to accept as the Non ADHD partner. I can deal with the disorganization, picking up the slack with our kid and managing all the finances. It’s the emotional disconnection and the, what I perceive as selfishness of the condition. It always feels like I have to apologise for everything. I am always in the wrong. Even saying I feel unloved (even if she thinks that I shouldn’t feel that way) is met with anger, resentment and defensiveness. I don’t feel like I can ever say anything without being resented for it, no matter how I say it. The reality is that it is like living with a mannequin sometimes – you can give all your love but you never get any emotion or attention back. I try to snuggle her, I tell her I love her. I have even left little notes around the house saying why I think she is great. And had a song recorded to express how much I love her and then sent it to her as a surprise. She says thanks and I think she appreciates it but it comes across more as I have made her feel awkward. These things that took a lot of effort are met with the same response as the thanks I get for bringing her a cup of tea. I’m not expecting or wanting a huge thanks anyway, just for her to feel that love and maybe reciprocate it somehow, if only with a smile a hug or a kiss on the cheek.  She can’t even look me in the face anymore and tries to avoid eye contact whenever. She has told me that she is just focussing on getting through the day but I find it so hard to accept that. I know I should accept that. But imagine someone not being able to look at you all day and seemingly escaping into other rooms for hours and shutting the door. Its hard to take especially when you love that person so much. Even though reading Melissa’s book has filled me with a lot of hope I just can’t understand why something so simple as the odd peck on the cheek, eye contact, or and ‘I love you’ initiated from her rather than a forced response to me saying it is so difficult. It seems like a 2 second thing to do and that’s the bit I find hard to understand. So I end up thinking “why does she seem to hate me so much?” and I don’t think anyone could blame me for thinking that? But she has no empathy to that. Instead, its about her and “why did you tell me that? Why are you trying to make ME feel bad?”.

    I know she is working on herself. She has just started to see an ADHD Coach. And I know she isn’t able to give me much emotion until she sorts herself out. I also know she is still very angry at me for some of my responses to her ADHD in the past. I get all that. I also appreciate how her mood is always very sad and lethargic (she has the inattentive form of ADHD) and she prefers her own space to deal with things. What gets to me though is that during the week the wife that I get is lethargic, unmotivated, snappy and unwilling to engage with me. Yet when the weekend comes and she goes out with her friends they seem to get the best of her. She is happy, dancing, laughing, interacting positively with people. It feels unfair that I put all my energy into helping her during the week, get blanked, but these other people get the best side of her. I am jealous of them for that but also angry that she can’t show me the same. I know that ADHDers are reward seekers. I get that going out with people, getting drunk and escaping boring old me is a great dopamine hit and reward. But it just feels that is very selfish regardless of the ADHD. Are we all just to accept that because of the ADHD they can do what they want and not care about the people most close to them? At what point does the excuse of having ADHD get abused?

    Without this just being a rant, I have some questions relating to it all:

    Is there a different way to get your partner to open up about how they feel about you? Saying I love you is just met with a “yeah I love you too” response and never sounds sincere. I want her to tell me more. If I ask “do you love me?” she gets defensive. What other questions can I ask to establish how she feels about me?

    If you are an ADHD person how would you warm to someone again that you have grown disinterested in? What would you want them to do?

    Any Non ADHD stories of how you have got your partner to fall in love with you again? Is it possible to get back how it was in the beginning?

  • Doing the work on your part as the Non by: Off the roller ... 10 months 3 weeks ago

    Just curious on the experiences here of the Nons and the type of work they did on themselves - I'm really struggling and feeling overwhelmed on what type of work I should do; read the Boundar Boss again and do all the workbooks at the end? Finish the mel Robbins workbook? Back to therapy? Attend group therapy for nons?...the list goes on. There are things I want to progress, and am actively working on them, but feel like I'm stuck again. 

    Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that I'm not going to work on the marriage when its just me doing the work/effort, but I am self aware enough about the situation that it's always good to work on myself, figuring out my needs, boundaries, etc. But I'm curious as to what others on here have done. How has your progressed looked? Are you happy with what you have done so far in your journey/relationship? Do you have any regrets or wished you did something different? 

    ...and on the flip side.... for the ADHDers reading this, what actions did you see your partner take on that made it clear to you they were working on themselves? And did they get a point of saying to you that its time for you to work on stuff too? Maybe nothing was said and it clicked for you one day? (note: I'm not trying to spin this to figure out how to get my ADHD partner to do the work instead of my own stuff but I am genuinelly curious in others' experiences and behavious on here) 

     

  • Undiagnosed ADHD and marital problems by: Taminator1 11 months 15 hours ago

    I may have undiagnosed ADHD and I looked into it more after 2 things that happened: I listened to the Mel Robbins podcasts when she did an episode on ADHD and announced she had it and also when I got fired from my last job for working substantially more hours during busy season but still under performed my peers. To add onto that, both my wife and in-laws are high performance, high wired people, where their minds are operating at 100mph and don't slow down. They had to think that way to get past survival mode when they immigrated to the US. I was raised by strict parents due to their Christian background, but was not forced to over exert myself when I didn't need to. Whatever I worked on, I would take the amount of time needed to complete it. Here's where I think may have undiagnosed ADHD. My mind cannot process information as quick as my wife and in-laws, so it leads to slower execution. In addition, I would overlook things that "normal" people would not overlook. This has caused many arguments between me and my wife. Also, if my in-laws saw that I accidentally did something incorrectly or too slowly, they would be like "what's wrong with you?!" My wife says that to me too and then they would complain to my wife about my inadequacies. So right now, I feel like if I'm inaccurate or inefficient, I'm useless and my kids are seeing that as well. Also, my older daughter may show early signs of ADHD as well, the inattentive kind just like me. I remember one night my wife said that if our daughter has ADHD, I will never forgive you because you ruined her life and my life. Although ADHD makes life more challenging, it's not impossible to overcome. It's that my wife is afraid my daughter can't be more than average even she grows up. On top of that, I have suggested therapy for myself as well as couples counseling. She adamantly refuses both because as long as the way she carries herself generates better results and more usefulness in society, she doesn't feel she needs to change. And I can't get therapy for myself because she thinks I'm too "stupid" to be fixed and she micromanages all our bank accounts so she will flip if I attended therapy. A few other notes, she is the breadwinner in the family as she make significantly more money than me and if we were to get divorced, the kids will easily side with the mother. 

    I don't know what to do. I'm either stuck in an unloving marriage and if I divorce, I might only get visitation rights. If you have any suggestions, I'm open for options.

  • I'm new here and am seeking hope by: WildBill2500 11 months 17 hours ago

    Good Evening,

    My wife was diagnosed with ADHD in the last year and a half. Due to numerous other ailments that are finally diagnosed and being treated, she is not currently on ADHD meds. She has taken antidepressants in the past (that I am adamantly against due to side effects).

    I have joined a few ADHD spouse groups and have found them to be pure depression! I can identify with other's experiences, but everything looks dire for everyone with divorce or extreme submission to the disorder (giving up all my needs) being the final options.

    Every podcast I listen to or article I read says to avoid the parent-child dynamic and other things to avoid. That's great, but what DO I DO to stop my wife from burying us in piles, starting projects without planning, and generally doing things that impact my routines and actions? I'm a production technician celebrating 20 years this fall, and most of my working career is based on maximizing downtime, estimating how long things take, and being efficient. The small things are what I find most frustrating. Taking the last water bottle that I was going bring to work, piling in front of my dresser while "organizing", leaving her car in the middle of the driveway when I'm coming home soon -the stuff that impacts me directly (unlike piles in our spare room- things that if she thought about, she'd realize impact me. 

    I do a large amount of things around the house. My wife will try to take things off my plate, but it usually results in more work for me. For example, I handled the mechanical things and hadn't gotten the lawn mower ready for the season yet. My wife asked me to tell her what to do- via text while I'm at work... Basically, told her the bare minimum - check the oil, connect the battery, fill with gas. She mowed the entire lawn. I needed to do the more complex checks and I discovered she didn't tighten the oil dipstick, resulting in oil absolutely everywhere while she mowed. Not only a mess  but it made the oil very low. She never noticed the splatter everywhere... I've asked nicely for her to focus on her unfinished projects that are in her wheelhouse. If I point out how she misses things, I'm told that I'm perfect and do no wrong. 

    I am absolutely at my wits end. I can't see a therapist because we live in a rural area and I simply don't have time between work and home. Someone please tell me what to do, not just what to avoid!

  • narcissism & sadness by: Off the roller ... 11 months 3 days ago

    Anyone else following the work and outputs of Dr. Ramini? Specifically, the few podcasts she's put out with Mel Robbins? I know there's a blog post on how to not confuse narcissism with ADHD behaviour/symptoms, but man, when she speaks, I feel like most of what she says can be applied to our situations but really, the only option is to leave. And that makes me so sad. 

    I'm really struggling right now with the sadness of what is in my heart. It's like my brain and body know what to do, are screaming at me to do it, but my heart just doesn't want to listen or understand. It keeps saying 'it's fine, it's going to be ok, it's going to sort itself out, don't worry about it today, nothing you can do' and now days, weeks, months, YEARS have passed and I'm almost 45 and I've made a promise to myself to NOT live like this any longer. But then, taking the steps towards this is really scary and frightening and I genuinelly don't know if it's the right thing to do. Truly. I don't know. There are times that my ADHD spouse 'comes to' and is engaged and it's like 'YES, it's all going to be OK!' but more often than not, he's so disengaged we live parallel lives and I definitely do NOT live in my values or boundaries or whatever. 

    And I woke up today really, really sad about it all and not sure what to do about it. 

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